Re: OT: Physicians for a National Health Program

[Jim <alarminex@xxxxxxx>]

On Dec 15, 11:01=EF=BF=BDam, Frank Olson
<use_the_email_li...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Edmund Fitzgerald wrote:
> > "Frank Olson" <use_the_email_li...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in mess=
age
> >news:OAN8j.6005$_r2.331@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Nathan W. Collier wrote:
>
> >>> you are truly ignorant to the teachings of th quran. =EF=BF=BDhere is =
a brief
> >>> example. =EF=BF=BDwere it not midnight i would undertake a larger effo=
rt to
> >>> expose your ignorance:
>
> >>> fromhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam#Jihad
>
> > <snip Bass Braszilian orphanages claims>
>
> >> Have you actually read the Quran? =EF=BF=BDQuoting "Wiki" as an "author=
ity" on the
> >> Quran is about as ignorant as you can get. =EF=BF=BDThe Quran does not =
teach or
> >> preach "Jihad". =EF=BF=BD"Jihad" is often described as an inner struggl=
e all of us
> >> face on a daily basis. =EF=BF=BDMohamed never intended to "war" on Chri=
stian or
> >> Jewish States (or Countries). =EF=BF=BDHis purpose was to enlighten the=
 world. =EF=BF=BDHe
> >> speaks of Christians as "People of the Book" and called for tolerance,
> >> acceptance, charity, and love. =EF=BF=BDMuslims and Jews "share" the sa=
me
> >> "patriarch" in Abraham (and I suppose we Christians do as well since Je=
sus
> >> was a Jew). =EF=BF=BDMohamed didn't advocate "Holy Jihad" as a means to=
 an end.
> >> On the contrary, the Quran teaches that to achieve Allah's purpose of o=
ne
> >> unified people and one religious state, it must be done by political an=
d
> >> diplomatic means first. =EF=BF=BDIt's much easier to "infiltrate" and "=
change from
> >> within" than to invade and conquer (although he did leave that open as =
an
> >> option so long as the proper warnings have been distributed). =EF=BF=BD=
However,
> >> when one attacks a Muslim State (particularly if the attacker is a
> >> "non-believer"), then the Faithful must defend against that attack (and=
 in
> >> so doing assure themselves of a place in heaven).
>
> >> According to your definition (which you obviously happen to share with
> >> "Bush") every Muslim in the US is now bound to join in the phony "Jihad=
"
> >> declared by the lunatic responsible for 911 (and every other idiot that=

> >> spews hatred for Israel and the great US Devil). =EF=BF=BDBush doesn't =
understand
> >> Islam any more than you do and he's trying to convince you that it's
> >> basically "evil" (which makes him an idiot). =EF=BF=BDI'd suggest you d=
o a little
> >> reading (and possible avoid that moniker as well). =EF=BF=BDMuslims are=
 NOT going
> >> to invade your house, make off with your wife, blow up your truck, etc.=

> >> Google "Aga Khan" for a start. =EF=BF=BD(http://www.akdn.org).
>
> >> Sheesh!
>
> > It's not clear to me O Holy One what difference you think it makes what =
the
> > Quran says.
>
> I was merely pointing out that the Quran is a "book of peace", not a
> manual for war. =EF=BF=BDInstead of reading for himself, Nathan seems quit=
e
> content to promote the ignorant views of others.
>
> > It doesn't seem to me that this "great religion" is doing
> > anything to stop the "phony jihadist" as you call them. =EF=BF=BDUntil t=
he "peaceful
> > Muslims" get on board to stop this mind boggling global madness they are=
 a
> > part of the problem - not the solution.
>
> It's really no different than our own "great religion". =EF=BF=BDWe have
> advocates for Peace as well yet it all seems to fall on "deaf ears".
> FWIW, I am a Christian. =EF=BF=BDJesus greatest commandment was to "love o=
ne
> another and love your God". =EF=BF=BDI could never bring myself to kill an=
other
> human being. =EF=BF=BDI would make a poor soldier in that respect. =EF=BF=
=BDI don't live
> in a neighbourhood where anyone would threaten my family, and I honestly
> don't know how I would respond to some of the situations I've read about
> where someone was called upon to defend what they hold dear with deadly
> force. =EF=BF=BDI hold a high blue belt in kick-boxing and have practised =
kendo
> for over fifteen years. =EF=BF=BDI believe I would be able to acquit mysel=
f
> rather well if the situation warranted, but I would stop short of
> actually killing someone. =EF=BF=BDPain through maiming can be an equally
> effective counter and is far more preferable (in my view) to
> manslaughter.


Hmmm Hey Frank, I didn't know that you could train to be..........

faster than a speeding bullet.