Re: OT: Physicians for a National Health Program

[Frank Olson <use_the_email_links@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Edmund Fitzgerald wrote:
> "Frank Olson" <use_the_email_links@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:OAN8j.6005$_r2.331@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Nathan W. Collier wrote:
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>>> you are truly ignorant to the teachings of th quran.  here is a brief
>>> example.  were it not midnight i would undertake a larger effort to
>>> expose your ignorance:
>>>
>>> from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam#Jihad
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> <snip Bass Braszilian orphanages claims>
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>> Have you actually read the Quran?  Quoting "Wiki" as an "authority" on the
>> Quran is about as ignorant as you can get.  The Quran does not teach or
>> preach "Jihad".  "Jihad" is often described as an inner struggle all of us
>> face on a daily basis.  Mohamed never intended to "war" on Christian or
>> Jewish States (or Countries).  His purpose was to enlighten the world.  He
>> speaks of Christians as "People of the Book" and called for tolerance,
>> acceptance, charity, and love.  Muslims and Jews "share" the same
>> "patriarch" in Abraham (and I suppose we Christians do as well since Jesus
>> was a Jew).  Mohamed didn't advocate "Holy Jihad" as a means to an end.
>> On the contrary, the Quran teaches that to achieve Allah's purpose of one
>> unified people and one religious state, it must be done by political and
>> diplomatic means first.  It's much easier to "infiltrate" and "change from
>> within" than to invade and conquer (although he did leave that open as an
>> option so long as the proper warnings have been distributed).  However,
>> when one attacks a Muslim State (particularly if the attacker is a
>> "non-believer"), then the Faithful must defend against that attack (and in
>> so doing assure themselves of a place in heaven).
>>
>> According to your definition (which you obviously happen to share with
>> "Bush") every Muslim in the US is now bound to join in the phony "Jihad"
>> declared by the lunatic responsible for 911 (and every other idiot that
>> spews hatred for Israel and the great US Devil).  Bush doesn't understand
>> Islam any more than you do and he's trying to convince you that it's
>> basically "evil" (which makes him an idiot).  I'd suggest you do a little
>> reading (and possible avoid that moniker as well).  Muslims are NOT going
>> to invade your house, make off with your wife, blow up your truck, etc.
>> Google "Aga Khan" for a start.  (http://www.akdn.org).
>>
>> Sheesh!
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> It's not clear to me O Holy One what difference you think it makes what the
> Quran says.

I was merely pointing out that the Quran is a "book of peace", not a
manual for war.  Instead of reading for himself, Nathan seems quite
content to promote the ignorant views of others.


> It doesn't seem to me that this "great religion" is doing
> anything to stop the "phony jihadist" as you call them.  Until the "peaceful
> Muslims" get on board to stop this mind boggling global madness they are a
> part of the problem - not the solution.

It's really no different than our own "great religion".  We have
advocates for Peace as well yet it all seems to fall on "deaf ears".
FWIW, I am a Christian.  Jesus greatest commandment was to "love one
another and love your God".  I could never bring myself to kill another
human being.  I would make a poor soldier in that respect.  I don't live
in a neighbourhood where anyone would threaten my family, and I honestly
don't know how I would respond to some of the situations I've read about
where someone was called upon to defend what they hold dear with deadly
force.  I hold a high blue belt in kick-boxing and have practised kendo
for over fifteen years.  I believe I would be able to acquit myself
rather well if the situation warranted, but I would stop short of
actually killing someone.  Pain through maiming can be an equally
effective counter and is far more preferable (in my view) to
manslaughter.  I don't believe Canadian troops are accomplishing
anything truly useful in Afghanistan.  I would far prefer to see them
used to interdict the illicit drugs and weapons that are crossing our
borders on a daily basis and pose a far more direct threat to our
security.  We're bleeding from within and our Government is doing
precious little about it.  We may as well be throwing bags of
marshmallows at the criminals too.  What "justice" is there in handing
someone a 20 month conditional sentence for beating another person so
badly that they've been rendered a quadriplegic?  The perp was
*laughing* at the press conference afterwards.


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> By the way I was wondering what the Quran had to say about blasphemy.  Under
> Islamic law the penalty is death and recently there was this teddy bear

Yes, I've heard all about the "teddy bear".  From what I understand
there was no disrespect intended ("what's in a name?").  Extremist views
abound and I'm glad that "cooler heads" prevailed.  I'm sorry for the
kids involved.  She is apparently a gifted teacher with an excellent record.


> ......oh what's the use.  Forget it.


Heh.  This is actually the kind of discussion I enjoy.