Re: OT: Physicians for a National Health Program

["Just Looking" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxx>]

>It's not our "fruited plain".

Which is it, San Francisco or Palm Springs?

>You have only to read the history of Israel -- the Chosen
> people -- to see how foolish that belief is.

Put down that ham sandwich! You never did listen to the Rabbi now did you?
And just what do you think happens on Friday at Sundown?

"Robert L Bass" <RobertLBass@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> > I'm not saying we should coddle these jerks.
>
> Definitely not.  Jiminex has to be stopped!  :^)
>
> > For the record I think we are doing the right thing in Iraq...
>
> For the record, you're wrong.
>
> > - surge should have started sooner but I think we need to stay
> > until the Iraq Government is stable...
>
> You do realize that will be around 3-1/2 years after the Second
> Coming, don't you?
>
> > - even then we should put a base in the area.
>
> Oh, yeah.  That'll calm them down.  After all, it worked so well in
> Lebanon.
>
> > We don't use such treatment in law enforcement because, like lie
> > detectors, the information is not reliable.
>
> We also don't use it in law enforcement because it's
> unconstitutional.We don't allow abusive and degrading treatment of
> American citizens because it's wrong.  The fact that the people the
> CIA and the US military have taken are not citizens doesn't make it
> OK.  They are uinder the control of American government agencies.  As
> such, we are obligated to treat them humanely, not because of who
> they are but because of what our country is -- or rather what it was
> before Bush.
>
> We don't allow anyone to be taken into custody and held without a
> hearing for more than 72 hours.  In many states it's 24 hours.  Yet
> we keep the people we've captured in Iraq and Afganistan for years
> without trial.
>
> > In the event that you know what information you are looking for and
> > you know the subject does have that information it can be effective
> > but it is next to useless as a 'fishing' tool.
>
> Torture is worse than useless in any circumstances.  If we allow our
> government or our military to use it we have already lost the war.
> Some believe Bush War II is a fight between democracy and evil,
> religious crazies who hate our way of life.  Allow Bush and other
> horrible miscreants like him to continue and democracy is the loser.
> The great thing about America isn't our "purple mountains' majesty".
> It's our freedom.  It's not our "fruited plain".  It's our personal
> rights.  Freedom is inversely proportional to government power.  We
> have freedom of speech (for now) so government can't silence us.
> Give the Bush government the authority to prohibit speech and
> American citizens lose.  Give the government the authority to beat
> one prisoner and one day they'll beat you.
>
> Some years ago a new government in Germany claimed that "foreign
> agents" were out to destroy the good Arian people.  They said that
> these foreigners were ruining the German way of life -- that they had
> to be stopped, no matter what measures were used.  Very few people
> spoke up against that government and within a short time it turned
> Germany into the worst dictatorship in all history.  At first they
> took the Jews.  The Catholics, Protestants, Gypsies and most other
> groups said nothing.  After all, they weren't Jewish.  After a while
> they took the Gypsies.  The Catholics and Protestants said nothing.
> They weren't gypsies.  Pretty soon they started arresting priests and
> anyone who openly practiced their religion, especially anyone who
> spoke a single word against what was happening.  By the time their
> turn came there was no one left to speak up for the Protestants.
>
> You may think that can't happen here -- that God protects America
> more than He did other nations because we call ourselves a "Christian
> Nation".  You have only to read the history of Israel -- the Chosen
> people -- to see how foolish that belief is.  Democracy and freedom
> are not free.  They're not cheap.  They have to be protected and even
> more so from our own government than against some "foreigners".
>
> --
>
> Regards,
> Robert L Bass
>
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