Re: OT: Physicians for a National Health Program

[JoeRaisin <joeraisin@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Jim wrote:
> On Dec 16, 4:10�pm, JoeRaisin <joerai...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Edmund Fitzgerald wrote:
>>> Let me say it again. �Pure Horeshit. �There are no organizations of
>>> Christian crusaders running amuck all over the world beheading and blowing
>>> up whoever they please.
>> Unless you count abortion clinics - but your point is made there as well
>> since mainstream Christian organizations condemn it.
>>
>>> First off I've not convinced pouring water down someone's nose is torture.
>>> Liberals, and perhaps yourself, tend to think anything that that makes
>>> someone the least bit uncomfortable is torture. �Islamic Jihadist, as you
>>> may have noticed, behead their captives, mutilate their bodies, and hang
>>> them up on public display. �Liberals, for some reason, don't seem to
>>> consider what the Jihadists do to be torture, or at least you never hear one
>>> say so.
>> Give me a few hours of water boarding and I guarantee that I could have
>> you confessing to being a serial pedophile cannibal and implicating any
>> number of your family, friends or colleagues as members of your enterprise.
>>
>> You would also swear that your confession was totally coerced and given
>> freely.
>>
>> The point being that if you are going to torture someone for
>> information, you better be sure they are in possession of said
>> information or they will make stuff up to get you to stop.
>
>
> Bet you that they only make stuff up the first time.
>
> Once being caught not telling the truth, they certainly know what's in
> store the second time around and the fervor of the interrogators.
>
> Waterboarding has a distinct advantage over terminal torture in that
> it can be repeated and there's no permanent physical damage.
>
> Which means, that the person who is being interrogated can anticipate
> it being repeated if they don't tell the truth. Which says, that if
> they've got any sense at all, they'll tell the truth the first time
> around.
>
> Sounds pretty humane to me.

My point was about the person who does not have the information the
interrogator is looking for.  At what point do you decide that the
person just doesn't know.