Re: OT: Physicians for a National Health Program

["Roland Moore" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxx>]

> No one died when Clinton lied.

Except he's been killing Hillary in bed for years.


"Robert L Bass" <RobertLBass@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>
> "Nathan W. Collier" wrote:
> >
> >> Sorry, but "facts" and "Fox" cannot be used in the same sentence.
> >
> > this discredits _nothing_ ive said.
>
> Perhaps I should have elaborated.  Citing Fox proves nothing.  It's
> like citing Olson.  Nothing they say can be relied upon due to their
> extreme BFR (bullshit to fact ratio).
>
> >> Property deeds reveal only the purchase price and/or appraised
> >> value. They rarely tell how much equity there is.
> >
> > i didnt mention equity, i stated _assets_...
>
> And I'm saying that means nothing.  Assets are only one piece of the
> financial picture.  Without knowing his debt level, knowing the value
> of his home tells you almost nothing about his ability to pay.  BTW,
> it's worth noting that we're not talking about a family claiming
> indigence.  This is a middle class family with extraordinary health
> care costs due to a child's illness.  Their situation is common
> enough that it affects the community at large (in this case, the
> country).
>
> > if you can afford to make the payments on a half million dollars
> > worth of assets, you can afford the premiums for health insurance.
> > the poster-child was _competely_ discredited.
>
> More accurately, the hard-line, right-wing idiots attacked and
> maligned the child and his family rather than deal with the fact that
> there is a need to extend the medical assistance program to help them
> and tens of thousands of others like them.  In typical form, scum
> like Limbaugh attack a sick American child and then turn around and
> call themselves patriots.
>
> >> Bush comitted treason by lying to the nation in order to get us
> >> into his private war.
> >
> > substantiate this...
>
> That's been proven so well that by now even you should know it.
>
> > show me where he committed treason and tell me why he hasnt been
> > impeached over it.
>
> His entire administration has been treasonous from the get go.  The
> reason he hasn't been impeached is the Democrats haven't the guts to
> take him on and the Republicans are too dishonest to go along with
> it.  No one died when Clinton lied.  Your boy murdered thousands of
> American troops -- far more than Bin Laden.
>
> > besides, there _have_ been WMDs found...
>
> Oh, bullshit!  Saddam had as many WMDs as Olson has flight hours --
> zilch!
>
> > iraq had _months_ to move them and hide them...
>
> Funny how in all the years we've been there not one has been found,
> yet Saddam couldn't even hide himself or his idiot sons.  Our
> military has found everyone and everything the White Hose wanted
> found.  Note that when they had Bin Laden surrounded they let him go
> so there'd still be a bogeyman out there to use in their fear
> mongering campaign.
>
> > just because we havent found them all does not mean they dont
> > exist.
>
> We haven't found *any* because they don't exist.  Remember Cheney's
> bullshit story about mobile chem labs?  Before he told it the CIA
> told him the story was bogus.  Remember the aluminum tubes nonsense?
> Before Bush cited it our own intel and those of our then remaining
> allies all told him they weren't WMD.  Bush/Cheney went right ahead
> and lied so they could go to war.
>
> >> Kerry is a decorated veteran who earned his medals for acts of
> >> bravery under fire.
> >
> > are you even aware of his "injuries".  wasnt one treated literally
> > with a band-aid?
>
> Are you aware of his heroics?  Kerry himself stated that his injuries
> were minor (although the last one did cause pain for some years after
> the war).  It wasn't his injuries that won him the silver star.
>
> >> As to Kerry's statements to Congress, he spoke the truth about
> >> atrocities comitted by American soldiers in Vietnam.
> >
> > the only "atrocity" is that we were there to begin with.....ok, one
> > more.  the true atrocity is that our military wasnt allowed to win
> > the war thanks to the bleeding heart liberals back home.
>
> On those points we agree completely.  However, there were other
> atrocities.  Do you recall the My Lai massacre in 1968?  The
> investigation afterward reveled widespread failures of command which
> led to the massacre.  Numerous reports of other atrocities surfaced
> during the course of the war.  Most were quashed.  Troops who spoke
> up were punished by superiors.  If this sounds like what's happening
> today it's only because it is happening.  Bush War II is being run so
> badly and so completely without justification, the troops so poorly
> outfitted that massacres similar to My Lai in all but scope happen
> regularly.  Of course, Bush II has outdone even the worst in Vietnam
> (from whence he ran and hid) by hiring a bunch of Blackwater thugs to
> commit the worst atrocities.
>
> >> We have long since learned that those atrocities were real and,
> >> though not common, far from rare.
> >
> > .....such as?
>
> See above.
>
> >> You doubt she's the most electable candidate among the Democratic
> >> line-up or you doubt she'll win against a Republican?
> >
> > i do not believe she is electable...
>
> I don't know for sure but it looks to me as though she can beat any
> of the current Republican crop.
>
> > she may get the democratic nomination, but only because the
> > democrats have nobody of merit to run against her...
>
> Actually, Obama is probably the smartest and most genuine of all
> candidates on both sides.  He'd certainly make an excellent
> president.  Considering he'd e following a guy with the brains of a
> turnip, he would at least appear beyond brilliant.  :^)
>
> > the closest thing the democrats have right now on a man of
> > integrity would be joe lieberman...
>
> Lieberman is indeed a man of integrity.  Unfortunately, he has been
> snowed by the Bush lies about Iraq and that makes him completely
> unelectable.  No one who supports BWII will ever again sit in the
> oval office.
>
> > but i do not believe a jew is electable either.  racism isnt what
> > will keep obama from being electable, but i do believe it would
> > hold back lieberman who is the only democrat i would even consider
> > supporting (but couldnt due to his anti-gun history).
>
> I guess you'll not vote for me either then.  I want to ban all guns
> from Earth and issue everyone water pistols but all these armies
> around the world refuse to go along with my plan.
>
> >> Sure, as soon as you show me where in the "founding documents" it
> >> says we need drivers' licenses.
> >
> > stop with the red herrings.  i have _never_ suggested that anyone
> > is ENTITLED to a drivers license.
>
> I didn't say anything about being entitled to a driver's license.
> The point is the founders made no mention of it.  They also made no
> mention of social security, the Air Force or the FAA, but those are
> important elements of modern life in the US.
>
> > you on the other hand, are stating that americans are ENTITLED to
> > health care and im simply asking you to substantiate that
> > statement.
>
> Correction.  I'm stating that American *children* are just as
> entitled to health care as they are to education.  In this country
> nothinking person doubts that all children deserve an education and
> that the government should pay for it.  We do this because as a
> nation we agree that "all men are created equal" and deserve an equal
> chance at a decent life.  Yet without proper health care children
> fare far worse than those with poor education.
>
> > ....we both know you cannot.
>
> I just did.
>
> --
>
> Regards,
> Robert L Bass
>
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