Re: OT: Physicians for a National Health Program

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"Robert L Bass" <RobertLBass@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>
> "Nathan W. Collier" wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, but "facts" and "Fox" cannot be used in the same sentence.
>>
>> this discredits _nothing_ ive said.
>
> Perhaps I should have elaborated.  Citing Fox proves nothing.  It's like
> citing Olson.  Nothing they say can be relied upon due to their extreme
> BFR (bullshit to fact ratio).
>
>>> Property deeds reveal only the purchase price and/or appraised value.
>>> They rarely tell how much equity there is.
>>
>> i didnt mention equity, i stated _assets_...
>
> And I'm saying that means nothing.  Assets are only one piece of the
> financial picture.  Without knowing his debt level, knowing the value of
> his home tells you almost nothing about his ability to pay.  BTW, it's
> worth noting that we're not talking about a family claiming indigence.
> This is a middle class family with extraordinary health care costs due to
> a child's illness.  Their situation is common enough that it affects the
> community at large (in this case, the country).
>
>> if you can afford to make the payments on a half million dollars worth of
>> assets, you can afford the premiums for health insurance. the
>> poster-child was _competely_ discredited.
>
> More accurately, the hard-line, right-wing idiots attacked and maligned
> the child and his family rather than deal with the fact that there is a
> need to extend the medical assistance program to help them and tens of
> thousands of others like them.  In typical form, scum like Limbaugh attack
> a sick American child and then turn around and call themselves patriots.
>
>>> Bush comitted treason by lying to the nation in order to get us into his
>>> private war.
>>
>> substantiate this...
>
> That's been proven so well that by now even you should know it.
>
>> show me where he committed treason and tell me why he hasnt been
>> impeached over it.
>
> His entire administration has been treasonous from the get go.  The reason
> he hasn't been impeached is the Democrats haven't the guts to take him on
> and the Republicans are too dishonest to go along with it.  No one died
> when Clinton lied.  Your boy murdered thousands of American troops -- far
> more than Bin Laden.
>
>> besides, there _have_ been WMDs found...
>
> Oh, bullshit!  Saddam had as many WMDs as Olson has flight hours --
> zilch!
>
>> iraq had _months_ to move them and hide them...
>
> Funny how in all the years we've been there not one has been found, yet
> Saddam couldn't even hide himself or his idiot sons.  Our military has
> found everyone and everything the White Hose wanted found.  Note that when
> they had Bin Laden surrounded they let him go so there'd still be a
> bogeyman out there to use in their fear mongering campaign.
>
>> just because we havent found them all does not mean they dont exist.
>
> We haven't found *any* because they don't exist.  Remember Cheney's
> bullshit story about mobile chem labs?  Before he told it the CIA told him
> the story was bogus.  Remember the aluminum tubes nonsense? Before Bush
> cited it our own intel and those of our then remaining allies all told him
> they weren't WMD.  Bush/Cheney went right ahead and lied so they could go
> to war.
>
>>> Kerry is a decorated veteran who earned his medals for acts of bravery
>>> under fire.
>>
>> are you even aware of his "injuries".  wasnt one treated literally with a
>> band-aid?
>
> Are you aware of his heroics?  Kerry himself stated that his injuries were
> minor (although the last one did cause pain for some years after the war).
> It wasn't his injuries that won him the silver star.
>
>>> As to Kerry's statements to Congress, he spoke the truth about
>>> atrocities comitted by American soldiers in Vietnam.
>>
>> the only "atrocity" is that we were there to begin with.....ok, one more.
>> the true atrocity is that our military wasnt allowed to win the war
>> thanks to the bleeding heart liberals back home.
>
> On those points we agree completely.  However, there were other
> atrocities.  Do you recall the My Lai massacre in 1968?  The investigation
> afterward reveled widespread failures of command which led to the
> massacre.  Numerous reports of other atrocities surfaced during the course
> of the war.  Most were quashed.  Troops who spoke up were punished by
> superiors.  If this sounds like what's happening today it's only because
> it is happening.  Bush War II is being run so badly and so completely
> without justification, the troops so poorly outfitted that massacres
> similar to My Lai in all but scope happen regularly.  Of course, Bush II
> has outdone even the worst in Vietnam (from whence he ran and hid) by
> hiring a bunch of Blackwater thugs to commit the worst atrocities.
>
>>> We have long since learned that those atrocities were real and, though
>>> not common, far from rare.
>>
>> .....such as?
>
> See above.
>
>>> You doubt she's the most electable candidate among the Democratic
>>> line-up or you doubt she'll win against a Republican?
>>
>> i do not believe she is electable...
>
> I don't know for sure but it looks to me as though she can beat any of the
> current Republican crop.
>
>> she may get the democratic nomination, but only because the democrats
>> have nobody of merit to run against her...
>
> Actually, Obama is probably the smartest and most genuine of all
> candidates on both sides.  He'd certainly make an excellent president.
> Considering he'd e following a guy with the brains of a turnip, he would
> at least appear beyond brilliant.  :^)
>
>> the closest thing the democrats have right now on a man of integrity
>> would be joe lieberman...
>
> Lieberman is indeed a man of integrity.  Unfortunately, he has been snowed
> by the Bush lies about Iraq and that makes him completely unelectable.  No
> one who supports BWII will ever again sit in the oval office.
>
>> but i do not believe a jew is electable either.  racism isnt what will
>> keep obama from being electable, but i do believe it would hold back
>> lieberman who is the only democrat i would even consider supporting (but
>> couldnt due to his anti-gun history).
>
> I guess you'll not vote for me either then.  I want to ban all guns from
> Earth and issue everyone water pistols but all these armies around the
> world refuse to go along with my plan.
>
>>> Sure, as soon as you show me where in the "founding documents" it says
>>> we need drivers' licenses.
>>
>> stop with the red herrings.  i have _never_ suggested that anyone is
>> ENTITLED to a drivers license.
>
> I didn't say anything about being entitled to a driver's license. The
> point is the founders made no mention of it.  They also made no mention of
> social security, the Air Force or the FAA, but those are important
> elements of modern life in the US.
>
>> you on the other hand, are stating that americans are ENTITLED to health
>> care and im simply asking you to substantiate that statement.
>
> Correction.  I'm stating that American *children* are just as entitled to
> health care as they are to education.  In this country nothinking person
> doubts that all children deserve an education and that the government
> should pay for it.  We do this because as a nation we agree that "all men
> are created equal" and deserve an equal chance at a decent life.  Yet
> without proper health care children fare far worse than those with poor
> education.
>
>> ....we both know you cannot.
>
> I just did.
>
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>
> Regards,
> Robert L Bass
>
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