Re: cleaner wiring solution needed

[Crash Gordon® <NONE@xxxxxxxx>]

It happens. Some builders insist on switches on a prewire, for =
appearances.=20

I'm going to one this morning like that...or so the homeowner says it =
has switches.

Once..once..one of my reps went out to a really big house that =
supposedly had switches installed on the pw...he didn't bother to pull =
one and see if it was really a switch or a pw plug. He bid it, the guy =
bought it...and they were all plugs, which added several hours to the =
install. I made the rep. cover the time out of his commish.



"mikey" <someone@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message =
news:eNKdnXkMWuR7E97fRVn-3A@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> It wasn't a pre-wire, it was a pre-contact job. First time I ever =
heard of
> one of those. I've never seen contacts installed in a pre-wire, good =
thing
> Jack doesn't do residential any more, I wouldn't have had to go back =
to the
> truck for a ladder to catch that one. The builder warning ain't much =
of a
> tip either, I think he's slipping. Maybe too much DMP, I think he =
should
> broaden his horizons ;-)
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> "Crash Gordon=AE" <NONE@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:jeI0e.130$T95.818@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sheesh, that was a nasty one.
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> "Jackcsg" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:XM2dnXEhb54g3t7fRVn-sw@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Personally....I have to go back about 11 years when I did =
residential. I
> > honestly can't remember ever selling, or just doing a prewire only. =
But on
> > the other hand I do recall going out to a house that was supposedly
> > pre-wired by another dealer, and the new homeowners elected not to =
spend
> the
> > other $1,200 bucks to have the system installed. It was a referral =
from
> one
> > of my existing customers. When I got to the house, the homeowner =
stated
> that
> > the entire house had been pre-wired, and he just needed the devices
> > installed. Knowing how wonderful a typical installation =
(Residential)
> > Company here in Maryland does things...I decided to dig deeper, and =
just
> > make certain they did a good job, and I wasn't going to get screwed. =
Holy
> > shit! These idiot's put the control panel up in the first floor hall
> closet,
> > (no big deal). When I opened the hall closet, sure as shit, there's =
about
> 18
> > to 20 some-odd wires all coiled up pretty as can be. Then I decided =
to go
> > down into the basement, and have a look at the wiring job. That's =
where it
> > ended. I couldn't see any wire what-so-ever, none. I poked around, =
and I
> > could see the bundle of wires going up through the floor to the =
front hall
> > closet, but they ran over an HVAC duct, and then disappeared. I went =
to my
> > truck, grabbed a latter, looked up on top of the duct....there's a =
coil of
> > wire all rolled up sitting on the duct. About 15 feet of 18 to 20 =
wires
> > going to nowhere....They even drilled the windows out, and the =
doors, and
> > even placed the contacts in them....but ran not one single wire to =
them,
> or
> > any of the devices. At first glance from the hall closet, this house =
was
> > wired to the hilt. The homeowner sued the Builder for $4,000 =
dollars, got
> > his $800.00 dollars back from the alarm company, and I put a $1,800 =
dollar
> > system in.
> > I guess the moral would be....don't deal with the pre-wire, if you =
don't
> > have the entire system.
> > Most Builders are cheap bastards, and ALL eventually will screw you =
one
> way
> > or another.
> > Deal directly with the Homeowner, whenever possible.
> >
> >
> > "Crash Gordon=AE" <NONE@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > news:NsG0e.35$j27.907@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > ....and should I care? Do we have to cater to the lowest-common
> denominator
> > when installing or can we install per our design preferences?...see =
what
> I'm
> > saying? Whaddya think?
> >
> >
> > "Jackcsg" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > news:V6idnYUvPbosAN_fRVn-2g@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Crash....start wiring a few zones back to some keypad locations. =
There's
> > > always the 790 keypad. It should even cut down on the amount of =
wire you
> > > have to pull back to the can.
> > > ;-)
> > >
> > > "Crash Gordon=AE" <NONE@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > news:PFp0e.62$pA4.618@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > I don't give it away to the builder...its just that with a custom =
spec
> the
> > > builder never know when hes gonna sell it and to whom, sure we get =
a
> good
> > > portion of the trims, but then some jerk puts in his own Skylink =
or some
> > joe
> > > schmoe comes along and puts in a 4 zone panel in a house that =
needs 20
> > > zones...etc.
> > >
> > >
> > > "alarman" <alarman2000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > news:UVo0e.608$Mt5.355@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Crash Gordon=AE wrote:
> > > > > kinda why I'm asking for opinions...these days all the houses =
I've
> > > > > been doing are 5000 sq+ and the wire cost and labor is killing
> > > > > me...to stay at a reasonable price to the builder (or custom
> builder)
> > > > > it would be much more cost effective to use addressable stuff =
and
> > > > > prewire for that.
> > > > >
> > > > > some of the customs are 'spec' houses, so we don't get contact =
with
> > > > > the h/o until the drywall is up...or later.
> > > > >
> > > > > i'm bidding a 5400 sq ft one right now, the freekin ceilings =
are 16'
> > > >
> > > > I stopped giving it away on those monsters. I figure my real =
costs and
> > > labor
> > > > at $75/hr plus. If the builder wants it cheaper, he can get out =
the
> > yellow
> > > > pages. Nobody is building their million dollar house on my back, =
not
> > > > anymore. I found a select few builders who are willing to pay. =
No
> short
> > > > cuts. I take my time and make the wiring neat. I use drive =
rings. I
> > drill
> > > my
> > > > own goddamned holes, and use the right wire for each =
application, not
> > 22/4
> > > > for everything. Lots of extra wiring for future possibles. No =
banjo
> > > strings
> > > > in the attic. No ragged holes in their door jambs.
> > > > js
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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