Re: cleaner wiring solution needed

["Jackcsg" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Personally....I have to go back about 11 years when I did residential. I
honestly can't remember ever selling, or just doing a prewire only. But on
the other hand I do recall going out to a house that was supposedly
pre-wired by another dealer, and the new homeowners elected not to spend the
other $1,200 bucks to have the system installed. It was a referral from one
of my existing customers. When I got to the house, the homeowner stated that
the entire house had been pre-wired, and he just needed the devices
installed. Knowing how wonderful a typical installation (Residential)
Company here in Maryland does things...I decided to dig deeper, and just
make certain they did a good job, and I wasn't going to get screwed. Holy
shit! These idiot's put the control panel up in the first floor hall closet,
(no big deal). When I opened the hall closet, sure as shit, there's about 18
to 20 some-odd wires all coiled up pretty as can be. Then I decided to go
down into the basement, and have a look at the wiring job. That's where it
ended. I couldn't see any wire what-so-ever, none. I poked around, and I
could see the bundle of wires going up through the floor to the front hall
closet, but they ran over an HVAC duct, and then disappeared. I went to my
truck, grabbed a latter, looked up on top of the duct....there's a coil of
wire all rolled up sitting on the duct. About 15 feet of 18 to 20 wires
going to nowhere....They even drilled the windows out, and the doors, and
even placed the contacts in them....but ran not one single wire to them, or
any of the devices. At first glance from the hall closet, this house was
wired to the hilt. The homeowner sued the Builder for $4,000 dollars, got
his $800.00 dollars back from the alarm company, and I put a $1,800 dollar
system in.
I guess the moral would be....don't deal with the pre-wire, if you don't
have the entire system.
Most Builders are cheap bastards, and ALL eventually will screw you one way
or another.
Deal directly with the Homeowner, whenever possible.


"Crash Gordon®" <NONE@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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....and should I care? Do we have to cater to the lowest-common denominator
when installing or can we install per our design preferences?...see what I'm
saying? Whaddya think?


"Jackcsg" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> Crash....start wiring a few zones back to some keypad locations. There's
> always the 790 keypad. It should even cut down on the amount of wire you
> have to pull back to the can.
> ;-)
>
> "Crash Gordon®" <NONE@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> I don't give it away to the builder...its just that with a custom spec the
> builder never know when hes gonna sell it and to whom, sure we get a good
> portion of the trims, but then some jerk puts in his own Skylink or some
joe
> schmoe comes along and puts in a 4 zone panel in a house that needs 20
> zones...etc.
>
>
> "alarman" <alarman2000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> > Crash Gordon® wrote:
> > > kinda why I'm asking for opinions...these days all the houses I've
> > > been doing are 5000 sq+ and the wire cost and labor is killing
> > > me...to stay at a reasonable price to the builder (or custom builder)
> > > it would be much more cost effective to use addressable stuff and
> > > prewire for that.
> > >
> > > some of the customs are 'spec' houses, so we don't get contact with
> > > the h/o until the drywall is up...or later.
> > >
> > > i'm bidding a 5400 sq ft one right now, the freekin ceilings are 16'
> >
> > I stopped giving it away on those monsters. I figure my real costs and
> labor
> > at $75/hr plus. If the builder wants it cheaper, he can get out the
yellow
> > pages. Nobody is building their million dollar house on my back, not
> > anymore. I found a select few builders who are willing to pay. No short
> > cuts. I take my time and make the wiring neat. I use drive rings. I
drill
> my
> > own goddamned holes, and use the right wire for each application, not
22/4
> > for everything. Lots of extra wiring for future possibles. No banjo
> strings
> > in the attic. No ragged holes in their door jambs.
> > js
> >
> >
> >
>
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