Re: Fire Side Chat -- Fire Alarm Code Issue

["Norm Mugford" <1alarm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Mr. Bass wrote:

Any time you select the components and specifty placement you are designing
a fire alarm system.  Do you tell your residential clients that they need
"six smoke detectors... somewhere in the house?"  :^)

Do you have a license to design a fire alarm system Mr. Bass?
Not in Florida you don't.......

Norm Mugford
Vice-Chairman Florida
Electrical Contractors Licensing Board

"Robert L. Bass" <robertlbass@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:VZednUwjw5Oc5vDfRVn-ug@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> You are wrong once again.  A burg/fire panel
> >> which bears a UL fire listing is indeed a FACP.
> >
> > Gasp!  Really??  Does that mean that you're
> > going to have to *design* a fire alarm system
> > for any customers that have expressed an
> > interest in adding a smoke alarm to their order?
>
> Any time you select the components and specifty placement you are
designing
> a fire alarm system.  Do you tell your residential clients that they need
> "six smoke detectors... somewhere in the house?"  :^)
>
> > Robert:  "Well, I'm sorry Mr. Smith, but I
> > can't sell you just one smoke alarm.  We're
> > going to have to install one on every level...
>
> Up until a few years ago that was pretty much the way code was enforced.
If
> you installed any system smokes you had to install them in all required
> locations -- even on existing homes.  More recently there has been some
> flexibility but the requirement that all components be listed for the
> purpose remains intact.
>
> > a heat detector in the kitchen, another in
> > the furnace room, laundry room, garage....
>
> All kidding aside, heats were never mandated for residential apps.
>
> > --- snip ---
>
> >> I wrote the help file and helped design the
> >> app.  My partners wrote the app. When I
> >> finished my work the app as a whole,
> >> including the integral help system, was
> >> submitted to UL.  It passed on the first round.
> >
> > Where in the "app" does it say it's "UL Listed"??
>
> The UL listing info is printed on the documentation accompanying the
> software.  If you need additional information, feel free to contact
Edwards.
> It is their product now.
>
> As I recall, when I said I was working on it several of the yahoos from
ASA
> said I was lying.  Didn't you join in on that rant?  Just for kicks I
munged
> the names of several newsgroup participants, including one of the more
> disingenuous posters here and included them in the help file images.  My
> name is also hidden in there, but you'd have to look for it since I don't
> recall which screen shot it's in.  Now that it's clear that I spoke the
> truth I don't see any of the IB munching crow.  All we got was Leuk faking
> indignation and you refusing to admit you're wrong about the software
being
> UL listed.  Where's the apology for falsely accusing?  It figures.
>
> --
>
> Regards,
> Robert L Bass
>
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