Re: Fire Side Chat -- Fire Alarm Code Issue

["Robert L. Bass" <robertlbass@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

>> You are wrong once again.  A burg/fire panel
>> which bears a UL fire listing is indeed a FACP.
>
> Gasp!  Really??  Does that mean that you're
> going to have to *design* a fire alarm system
> for any customers that have expressed an
> interest in adding a smoke alarm to their order?

Any time you select the components and specifty placement you are designing
a fire alarm system.  Do you tell your residential clients that they need
"six smoke detectors... somewhere in the house?"  :^)

> Robert:  "Well, I'm sorry Mr. Smith, but I
> can't sell you just one smoke alarm.  We're
> going to have to install one on every level...

Up until a few years ago that was pretty much the way code was enforced.  If
you installed any system smokes you had to install them in all required
locations -- even on existing homes.  More recently there has been some
flexibility but the requirement that all components be listed for the
purpose remains intact.

> a heat detector in the kitchen, another in
> the furnace room, laundry room, garage....

All kidding aside, heats were never mandated for residential apps.

> --- snip ---

>> I wrote the help file and helped design the
>> app.  My partners wrote the app. When I
>> finished my work the app as a whole,
>> including the integral help system, was
>> submitted to UL.  It passed on the first round.
>
> Where in the "app" does it say it's "UL Listed"??

The UL listing info is printed on the documentation accompanying the
software.  If you need additional information, feel free to contact Edwards.
It is their product now.

As I recall, when I said I was working on it several of the yahoos from ASA
said I was lying.  Didn't you join in on that rant?  Just for kicks I munged
the names of several newsgroup participants, including one of the more
disingenuous posters here and included them in the help file images.  My
name is also hidden in there, but you'd have to look for it since I don't
recall which screen shot it's in.  Now that it's clear that I spoke the
truth I don't see any of the IB munching crow.  All we got was Leuk faking
indignation and you refusing to admit you're wrong about the software being
UL listed.  Where's the apology for falsely accusing?  It figures.

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

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