Re: Wire type for peripherals on residential burg/fire panels

[jewellfish <jewellfish@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Dec 19, 7:53=A0pm, Effenpig1 <dirtyspicev...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Dec 19, 10:49=A0am, Frank Olson
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> <use_the_email_li...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Kid wrote:
> > > "Frank Olson" <use_the_email_li...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in m=
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> > >> Kid wrote:
> > >>> if there is a fire panic button on the keypad then there is fire
> > >>> protection.
> > >> "Fire protection" isn't a "button" you have to be awake (or on the
> > >> premises) to use. =A0A sprinkler system is "protection". =A0A smoke =
detector
> > >> is "protection".
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> > > no, that is detection. =A0and if you use the fire button the fire tru=
cks will
> > > roll. =A0still have to use fire wire if you use the fire button for f=
ire
> > > protection is all I was saying. =A0but feel free not to and then you =
can tell
> > > the inspector 'your' theory when he wants to know why you aren't with=
in
> > > code..
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> > Sorry. =A0When I think of "protection" I also think "detection" (you ca=
n't
> > have one without the other in my book). =A0You can't "protect" yourself
> > with a button (and if the system's not monitored then the trucks won't
> > be "rolling"). =A0Taking your response one step further, I take it you
> > would consider a cell phone or land line as better "fire protection" -
> > you call 911 and achieve the same purpose as the button on a monitored
> > alarm - only you get a faster response.
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> > In BC, residential security systems aren't considered "fire alarm
> > systems" so the Canadian installation standard (CAN/ULC-S524) doesn't
> > apply. =A0And some alarmco's in the lower mainland don't even pull
> > permits. =A0In fact they rarely install fire detection devices properly=
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> > On many take-overs we've done, I've seen "T" tapped smokes, EOL's acros=
s
> > programmed fire zones IN THE CAN, four wire smokes wired using the
> > normally closed contacts, etc. =A0It's a real "dogs breakfast" here.
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> > And no one has yet been able to show me the section of NFPA that states
> > a security/burg system becomes a fire alarm system when you install a
> > smoke detector (or wire up to relay contacts on a 110VAC smoke alarm).
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> So is it your opinion that it is not-necessary to use fire wire for
> anything other than the detection devices themselves?
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> Dogs breakfast ????? =A0Is that a poo reference?- Hide quoted text -
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NEC70, Article 760 allows for the substitution of CMP and similiar for
use in fire alarm systems unless local codes prevent it.

Regards,

Jewellfish