Re: Wire type for peripherals on residential burg/fire panels

[Effenpig1 <dirtyspicevent@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Dec 13, 7:31=A0pm, nick markowitz <nmarkow...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Dec 13, 7:15=A0pm, Effenpig1 <dirtyspicev...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > For residential burg I use 18 gauge FPLR to wire keypads,
> > transformers, sirens, and of course fire devices ( and CO). I do this
> > whether or not the system will include fire devices initially. My
> > thought being if I don't and the owner decides on fire protection down
> > the line it would be more work.
>
> > Curious as to how other installers deal with this. The company I
> > worked for before I started my business never used fire wire, even for
> > the fire devices themselves.
>
> Let me put it to you this way
> One of the side things I do is Fire Investigation for Insurance
> companies.
> the very first question they ask on form they send for a failure
> analysis investigation asks. Does the system meet all codes code at
> time it was installed.
> 2nd question is would system have functioned properly had code been
> followed. 3rd question is were proper permits and inspections done.
>
> If I walk in on a system that has failed and find telco or any other
> type of wire being used for the smokes and heats etc. that would be a
> violation of NEC and NFPA -ICC
>
> You are doing the right thing. absolutely the others are leaving them
> selves exposed. and no matter how you write a contract sooner or later
> you will get popped and even if you win what it is costing in time and
> money will be horrendous.
> I got sued because an asshole customer was to lazy to check his system
> after it went off and police looked in and saw no one because they
> were in a back room breaking into the safe.
> Thank God jury saw this case for what it was but it still cost how
> many days time and money defending it.

What about wiring the keypad, siren,and transformer with FPLR on
systems with fire? How about systems without fire in case of future
add-ons, any one think either is unnecessary?