Re: Wire type for peripherals on residential burg/fire panels

["Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

It can't hurt, but if there's no fire detection to begin with on a
residential system....why would you want to?...because there might be one
day?


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**Crash Gordon**







"Effenpig1" <dirtyspicevent@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> On Dec 13, 7:31 pm, nick markowitz <nmarkow...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> On Dec 13, 7:15 pm, Effenpig1 <dirtyspicev...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> > For residential burg I use 18 gauge FPLR to wire keypads,
>> > transformers, sirens, and of course fire devices ( and CO). I do this
>> > whether or not the system will include fire devices initially. My
>> > thought being if I don't and the owner decides on fire protection down
>> > the line it would be more work.
>>
>> > Curious as to how other installers deal with this. The company I
>> > worked for before I started my business never used fire wire, even for
>> > the fire devices themselves.
>>
>> Let me put it to you this way
>> One of the side things I do is Fire Investigation for Insurance
>> companies.
>> the very first question they ask on form they send for a failure
>> analysis investigation asks. Does the system meet all codes code at
>> time it was installed.
>> 2nd question is would system have functioned properly had code been
>> followed. 3rd question is were proper permits and inspections done.
>>
>> If I walk in on a system that has failed and find telco or any other
>> type of wire being used for the smokes and heats etc. that would be a
>> violation of NEC and NFPA -ICC
>>
>> You are doing the right thing. absolutely the others are leaving them
>> selves exposed. and no matter how you write a contract sooner or later
>> you will get popped and even if you win what it is costing in time and
>> money will be horrendous.
>> I got sued because an asshole customer was to lazy to check his system
>> after it went off and police looked in and saw no one because they
>> were in a back room breaking into the safe.
>> Thank God jury saw this case for what it was but it still cost how
>> many days time and money defending it.
>
> What about wiring the keypad, siren,and transformer with FPLR on
> systems with fire? How about systems without fire in case of future
> add-ons, any one think either is unnecessary?