Re: Wire type for peripherals on residential burg/fire panels

[Effenpig1 <dirtyspicevent@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Dec 15, 12:59=A0am, "Crash Gordon" <webmas...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> It can't hurt, but if there's no fire detection to begin with on a
> residential system....why would you want to?...because there might be one
> day?
>
> --
> **Crash Gordon**
>
> "Effenpig1" <dirtyspicev...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>
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> > On Dec 13, 7:31 pm, nick markowitz <nmarkow...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> On Dec 13, 7:15 pm, Effenpig1 <dirtyspicev...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> >> > For residential burg I use 18 gauge FPLR to wire keypads,
> >> > transformers, sirens, and of course fire devices ( and CO). I do thi=
s
> >> > whether or not the system will include fire devices initially. My
> >> > thought being if I don't and the owner decides on fire protection do=
wn
> >> > the line it would be more work.
>
> >> > Curious as to how other installers deal with this. The company I
> >> > worked for before I started my business never used fire wire, even f=
or
> >> > the fire devices themselves.
>
> >> Let me put it to you this way
> >> One of the side things I do is Fire Investigation for Insurance
> >> companies.
> >> the very first question they ask on form they send for a failure
> >> analysis investigation asks. Does the system meet all codes code at
> >> time it was installed.
> >> 2nd question is would system have functioned properly had code been
> >> followed. 3rd question is were proper permits and inspections done.
>
> >> If I walk in on a system that has failed and find telco or any other
> >> type of wire being used for the smokes and heats etc. that would be a
> >> violation of NEC and NFPA -ICC
>
> >> You are doing the right thing. absolutely the others are leaving them
> >> selves exposed. and no matter how you write a contract sooner or later
> >> you will get popped and even if you win what it is costing in time and
> >> money will be horrendous.
> >> I got sued because an asshole customer was to lazy to check his system
> >> after it went off and police looked in and saw no one because they
> >> were in a back room breaking into the safe.
> >> Thank God jury saw this case for what it was but it still cost how
> >> many days time and money defending it.
>
> > What about wiring the keypad, siren,and transformer with FPLR on
> > systems with fire? How about systems without fire in case of future
> > add-ons, any one think either is unnecessary?

Exactly