Re: Wire type for peripherals on residential burg/fire panels

["Kid" <kid@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

if there is a fire panic button on the keypad then there is fire protection.

"Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> It can't hurt, but if there's no fire detection to begin with on a
> residential system....why would you want to?...because there might be one
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> "Effenpig1" <dirtyspicevent@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> On Dec 13, 7:31 pm, nick markowitz <nmarkow...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> On Dec 13, 7:15 pm, Effenpig1 <dirtyspicev...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>>> > For residential burg I use 18 gauge FPLR to wire keypads,
>>> > transformers, sirens, and of course fire devices ( and CO). I do this
>>> > whether or not the system will include fire devices initially. My
>>> > thought being if I don't and the owner decides on fire protection down
>>> > the line it would be more work.
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>>> > Curious as to how other installers deal with this. The company I
>>> > worked for before I started my business never used fire wire, even for
>>> > the fire devices themselves.
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>>> Let me put it to you this way
>>> One of the side things I do is Fire Investigation for Insurance
>>> companies.
>>> the very first question they ask on form they send for a failure
>>> analysis investigation asks. Does the system meet all codes code at
>>> time it was installed.
>>> 2nd question is would system have functioned properly had code been
>>> followed. 3rd question is were proper permits and inspections done.
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>>> If I walk in on a system that has failed and find telco or any other
>>> type of wire being used for the smokes and heats etc. that would be a
>>> violation of NEC and NFPA -ICC
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>>> You are doing the right thing. absolutely the others are leaving them
>>> selves exposed. and no matter how you write a contract sooner or later
>>> you will get popped and even if you win what it is costing in time and
>>> money will be horrendous.
>>> I got sued because an asshole customer was to lazy to check his system
>>> after it went off and police looked in and saw no one because they
>>> were in a back room breaking into the safe.
>>> Thank God jury saw this case for what it was but it still cost how
>>> many days time and money defending it.
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>> What about wiring the keypad, siren,and transformer with FPLR on
>> systems with fire? How about systems without fire in case of future
>> add-ons, any one think either is unnecessary?
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