Re: Wire type for peripherals on residential burg/fire panels

["Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

how would using fire wire on a keypad be considered fire "protection" ? most
fire systems don't provide protection...detection yes.

is there code on this?


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**Crash Gordon**







"Kid" <kid@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> if there is a fire panic button on the keypad then there is fire
> protection.
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> "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> It can't hurt, but if there's no fire detection to begin with on a
>> residential system....why would you want to?...because there might be one
>> day?
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>> "Effenpig1" <dirtyspicevent@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>> On Dec 13, 7:31 pm, nick markowitz <nmarkow...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> On Dec 13, 7:15 pm, Effenpig1 <dirtyspicev...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>>>> > For residential burg I use 18 gauge FPLR to wire keypads,
>>>> > transformers, sirens, and of course fire devices ( and CO). I do this
>>>> > whether or not the system will include fire devices initially. My
>>>> > thought being if I don't and the owner decides on fire protection
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>>>> > the line it would be more work.
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>>>> > Curious as to how other installers deal with this. The company I
>>>> > worked for before I started my business never used fire wire, even
>>>> > for
>>>> > the fire devices themselves.
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>>>> Let me put it to you this way
>>>> One of the side things I do is Fire Investigation for Insurance
>>>> companies.
>>>> the very first question they ask on form they send for a failure
>>>> analysis investigation asks. Does the system meet all codes code at
>>>> time it was installed.
>>>> 2nd question is would system have functioned properly had code been
>>>> followed. 3rd question is were proper permits and inspections done.
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>>>> If I walk in on a system that has failed and find telco or any other
>>>> type of wire being used for the smokes and heats etc. that would be a
>>>> violation of NEC and NFPA -ICC
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>>>> You are doing the right thing. absolutely the others are leaving them
>>>> selves exposed. and no matter how you write a contract sooner or later
>>>> you will get popped and even if you win what it is costing in time and
>>>> money will be horrendous.
>>>> I got sued because an asshole customer was to lazy to check his system
>>>> after it went off and police looked in and saw no one because they
>>>> were in a back room breaking into the safe.
>>>> Thank God jury saw this case for what it was but it still cost how
>>>> many days time and money defending it.
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>>> What about wiring the keypad, siren,and transformer with FPLR on
>>> systems with fire? How about systems without fire in case of future
>>> add-ons, any one think either is unnecessary?
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