Re: Panel grounding

[Effenpig1 <dirtyspicevent@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Dec 13, 6:33=A0pm, nick markowitz <nmarkow...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Dec 13, 2:49=A0pm, "Kid" <k...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > "tourman" <robercampb...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> > On Dec 13, 10:25 am, nick markowitz <nmarkow...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > On Dec 13, 9:47 am, "Kid" <k...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > > "tourman" <robercampb...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> > > >news:7e9334a2-056d-4dbe-bc6c-e4ec70a81829@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=
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> > > > RHC: Yeah, I agree with you. I keep precise statistics on service
> > > > work. With over 1000 panels in service, I have had to replace a tot=
al
> > > > of 8 boards due to electrical surges damaging the panel in 15 years=
.
> > > > Had I installed the Elk grounding unit for everyone, that would hav=
e
> > > > been a cost of over $30,000 with limited payback. I prefer to spend
> > > > the extra money on upgraded keypads and upgraded pet motions for
> > > > everyone, and deal with dead panels as they happen (at $50 a pop pl=
us
> > > > cost of a service call). This with a severe lightning strike proble=
m
> > > > in parts of our city being a known fact as well...
>
> > > > BTW, two of those damaged panels were at one rural customer locatio=
n,
> > > > and both within a week of each other. I guess the telephone company
> > > > plant was poorly grounded. This was early on, and It took me twice =
to
> > > > learn....:((
>
> > > > I have a customer that had been hit twice before I put the elk unit=
 on.
> > > > his
> > > > house is on a granite outcrop and he apparently can.t get a very go=
od
> > > > ground. on the third hit the elk unit blew out knocking out the pho=
ne
> > > > line.
> > > > but the panel board was ok. all I had to do was replace the elk uni=
t.
> > > > not
> > > > much difference between the price of the elk unit and a new board,
> > > > though.
> > > > made me wonder if it was really worth it but it was easier to repla=
ce
> > > > the
> > > > elk unit than rewire a new board. if the panel was like the old moo=
se
> > > > where
> > > > you could just pop a board on without touching the wiring I might t=
hink
> > > > twice.
>
> > > Im dealing with commercial fire and high end combo fire/burg panels
> > > and the panels have to work its a life safety issue
> > > and we get plenty of lightning and high wind storms, brown outs ,
> > > poles hit etc here in Pa. so the protection is well worth it $25.00 t=
o
> > > save upwards of several thousand dollars.
>
> > > Have customers who had direct hits and there buildings were saved as
> > > well as vast majority of equipment was saved Vs other buildings hit
> > > around here that went up in flames go figure.
> > > It is just like the $100.00- 3 phase power protectors I install on
> > > machines etc which saves thousands of dollars in motor replacement.
>
> > RHC: I don't disagree with you Nick. It's just like everything else in
> > business....it's cost versus gain. Your life saving situations are
> > precisely where any and all protection is worth every penny. But for
> > "low end" residential systems, where every nickel spent is under
> > question by the customer, it might even "break" the sale !!!! It's not
> > cost effective in these situations to do so from any perspective when
> > so few systems are affected.....
>
> > plus there is no quarantee when it comes to lightening. =A0it can just =
as
> > easily blow out the protection and the panel.
>
> Another reason i do not do residential.
> no money in it.
> lets see do 20 residential systems to make what i do on high end
> integrated commercial real tough one there.

I guess that depends on how you look at it. You could also spin it to
say you could do 20 small residential systems in the same time it
takes to do one high end integrated commercial system, and collect RMR
from all 20 of those accounts indefinitely.

But for me the choice is easy since their is virtually no demand for
high end commercial systems in my service area.

I have a hard time believing that you would convince any small, mostly
residential/light commercial dealer with a decent number of accounts
that there is " no money in it ".  I guess it would all depend on each
individuals perception how much money "no money" is.