Re: Wire type for peripherals on residential burg/fire panels

[Frank Olson <use_the_email_links@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Kid wrote:
> "Frank Olson" <use_the_email_links@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:0n%Wm.964$pA1.831@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Kid wrote:
>>> if there is a fire panic button on the keypad then there is fire
>>> protection.
>> "Fire protection" isn't a "button" you have to be awake (or on the
>> premises) to use.  A sprinkler system is "protection".  A smoke detector
>> is "protection".
>
> no, that is detection.  and if you use the fire button the fire trucks will
> roll.  still have to use fire wire if you use the fire button for fire
> protection is all I was saying.  but feel free not to and then you can tell
> the inspector 'your' theory when he wants to know why you aren't within
> code..
>
>


Sorry.  When I think of "protection" I also think "detection" (you can't
have one without the other in my book).  You can't "protect" yourself
with a button (and if the system's not monitored then the trucks won't
be "rolling").  Taking your response one step further, I take it you
would consider a cell phone or land line as better "fire protection" -
you call 911 and achieve the same purpose as the button on a monitored
alarm - only you get a faster response.

In BC, residential security systems aren't considered "fire alarm
systems" so the Canadian installation standard (CAN/ULC-S524) doesn't
apply.  And some alarmco's in the lower mainland don't even pull
permits.  In fact they rarely install fire detection devices properly.
On many take-overs we've done, I've seen "T" tapped smokes, EOL's across
programmed fire zones IN THE CAN, four wire smokes wired using the
normally closed contacts, etc.  It's a real "dogs breakfast" here.

And no one has yet been able to show me the section of NFPA that states
a security/burg system becomes a fire alarm system when you install a
smoke detector (or wire up to relay contacts on a 110VAC smoke alarm).