Re: Wire type for peripherals on residential burg/fire panels

[Effenpig1 <dirtyspicevent@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Dec 19, 10:49=A0am, Frank Olson
<use_the_email_li...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Kid wrote:
> > "Frank Olson" <use_the_email_li...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in mes=
sage
> >news:0n%Wm.964$pA1.831@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Kid wrote:
> >>> if there is a fire panic button on the keypad then there is fire
> >>> protection.
> >> "Fire protection" isn't a "button" you have to be awake (or on the
> >> premises) to use. =A0A sprinkler system is "protection". =A0A smoke de=
tector
> >> is "protection".
>
> > no, that is detection. =A0and if you use the fire button the fire truck=
s will
> > roll. =A0still have to use fire wire if you use the fire button for fir=
e
> > protection is all I was saying. =A0but feel free not to and then you ca=
n tell
> > the inspector 'your' theory when he wants to know why you aren't within
> > code..
>
> Sorry. =A0When I think of "protection" I also think "detection" (you can'=
t
> have one without the other in my book). =A0You can't "protect" yourself
> with a button (and if the system's not monitored then the trucks won't
> be "rolling"). =A0Taking your response one step further, I take it you
> would consider a cell phone or land line as better "fire protection" -
> you call 911 and achieve the same purpose as the button on a monitored
> alarm - only you get a faster response.
>
> In BC, residential security systems aren't considered "fire alarm
> systems" so the Canadian installation standard (CAN/ULC-S524) doesn't
> apply. =A0And some alarmco's in the lower mainland don't even pull
> permits. =A0In fact they rarely install fire detection devices properly.
> On many take-overs we've done, I've seen "T" tapped smokes, EOL's across
> programmed fire zones IN THE CAN, four wire smokes wired using the
> normally closed contacts, etc. =A0It's a real "dogs breakfast" here.
>
> And no one has yet been able to show me the section of NFPA that states
> a security/burg system becomes a fire alarm system when you install a
> smoke detector (or wire up to relay contacts on a 110VAC smoke alarm).

So is it your opinion that it is not-necessary to use fire wire for
anything other than the detection devices themselves?

Dogs breakfast ?????  Is that a poo reference?