Re: UL trying to get rid of combo panels

[mleuck <m.leuck@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Jul 13, 10:36=A0am, Crash <robos...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Jul 12, 7:17=A0pm, mleuck <m.le...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > On Jul 12, 8:02=A0pm, "Russell Brill" <russwbr...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > "Crash" <robos...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> > > On Jul 12, 12:59 pm, "Bob La Londe" <nos...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > > "Jim" <alarmi...@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> > > > > On Jul 11, 2:02 pm, "Russell Brill" <russwbr...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wr=
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> > > > >> "Bob La Londe" <nos...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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> > > > >> > "nick markowitz" <nmarkow...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> > > > >> >> On Jul 6, 5:00 pm, mleuck <m.le...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > >> >>> On Jul 6, 10:05 am, "Bob La Londe" <nos...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > > >> >>> > "nick markowitz" <nmarkow...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> > > > >> >>> > > On Jul 5, 1:20 am, "Bob La Londe" <nos...@xxxxxxxxx> wro=
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> > > > >> >>> > >> "nick markowitz" <nmarkow...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in messag=
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> > > > >> >>> > >>news:19a554c1-4bff-42c5-9d32-3c654faf17b7@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx=
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> > > > >> >>> > >> >> Napco does have a new panel coming out that claims t=
o meet
> > > > >> >>> > >> >> all
> > > > >> >>> > >> >> the
> > > > >> >>> > >> >> latest
> > > > >> >>> > >> >> standards. Its finaling at UL, and they have listed =
it on
> > > > >> >>> > >> >> their
> > > > >> >>> > >> >> website.
> > > > >> >>> > >> >> I
> > > > >> >>> > >> >> am on the beta list.
>
> > > > >> >>> > >> > It looks awesome just hope it is cant wait to get my =
hands
> > > > >> >>> > >> > on
> > > > >> >>> > >> > one
>
> > > > >> >>> > >> Well, I have to say if they have isolated power circuit=
s for
> > > > >> >>> > >> burg/fire/access and true two line monitoring it should=
 be
> > > > >> >>> > >> set.
> > > > >> >>> > >> Now
> > > > >> >>> > >> if
> > > > >> >>> > >> they
> > > > >> >>> > >> could come up with a dual band primary rated cell using=
 GSM
> > > > >> >>> > >> *AND*
> > > > >> >>> > >> CDMA so
> > > > >> >>> > >> it
> > > > >> >>> > >> could knock on AES's back door and eliminate the need f=
or
> > > > >> >>> > >> phone
> > > > >> >>> > >> lines I
> > > > >> >>> > >> would be ecstatic.
>
> > > > >> >>> > >> I always thought Caddx would have gone that way if they=
 hadn't
> > > > >> >>> > >> sold
> > > > >> >>> > >> out.
> > > > >> >>> > >> I
> > > > >> >>> > >> guess their P&L never caught up with their R&D costs.
>
> > > > >> >>> > > DMP now has a stand alone cell unit UL Fire Comm Knock K=
nock
>
> > > > >> >>> > Does it meet TWO (2) line requirements?
>
> > > > >> >>> > If not why bother? Uplink and Telular both have single lin=
e fire
> > > > >> >>> > primary
> > > > >> >>> > rated communicators already, and I don't have to promise a=
 first
> > > > >> >>> > born
> > > > >> >>> > son to
> > > > >> >>> > buy from them.
>
> > > > >> >>> I think Honeywell has one as well
>
> > > > >> >> DMP piece is stand alone with out having to use the extra pho=
ne line
>
> > > > >> > It meets the requirement for two separate communications paths=
? Do
> > > > >> > you
> > > > >> > know how it meets that requirement? Does it use and check in o=
n both
> > > > >> > GSM
> > > > >> > and CDMA every 24hrs? If not how does it meet the requirement?=
 Of
> > > > >> > course
> > > > >> > even if it does DMP wouldn't sell to me anyway, but I am curio=
us. It
> > > > >> > can't be a
>
> > > > >> I wouldn't take the "Not Selling to you" thing personally, they =
pull
> > > > >> that
> > > > >> S**T in my area too... FYI: They seem to be taking the low road =
like a
> > > > >> lot
> > > > >> of the other manufacturers have by jumping into the Lick & Stick
> > > > >> market.
> > > > >> Have you seen their new product yet? Take a looks
> > > > >> seehttp://dmp.com/XTL...
> > > > >> All of the Door-to-Door companies will probably be selling it ne=
xt
> > > > >> summer.
> > > > >> So far Bosch hasn't lowered themselves to that level yet, hopefu=
lly
> > > > >> they
> > > > >> never will... Come to think of it, Napco doesn't make a all in o=
ne lick
> > > > >> &
> > > > >> stick system either... It sounds like they (Napco) have been spe=
nding
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> last couple of years designing some new product lines that only =
Trained
> > > > >> PROFESSIONALS can install, hmmm image that :-)
>
> > > > > Hmmm, I guess that means just you, me and Bob L. ;-)
>
> > > > Ummm.... I'm pretty much self taught. Does that mean I have to turn=
 in my
> > > > Napco discount card?
>
> > > Russ,
> > > why are you saying the XTL is lick & stick? It's not anything like a
> > > Lynx if that's what you're getting at.
>
> > > Hi Crash,
>
> > > True, it's not like the Lynx, but I believe you'll have to admit it d=
oesn't
> > > look like it requires lots of brains to install... Plug the keypad & =
control
> > > into the nearest outlets, tape (you know tape will be the Norm) senso=
rs to
> > > walls, program & send signals, then hand the user guide to the custom=
er...
> > > According to DMP's video, that can all be done in 35 minutes or
> > > less............. Ahhhhhhhh, the quality, it looks like I've been doi=
ng
> > > things wrong all these years :-))
>
> > > Regards,
> > > Russ
>
> > I never was a big fan of DMP panels, the mid to low-end panels don't
> > do as much as other manufacturers, they are a pain to get and require
> > a quasi-receiver to download.
>
> The quasi-receiver is just a modem...much like the Compass modem. The
> newer panels can be programmed via IP (if IP enabled panel) or Cell
> Network (if cell enabled panel).
>
> Russ, yep the XTL is designed for small blow & go installs, the
> difference being the motherboard can be hidden anywhere (separate from
> the keypad - so throwing it out the window as with a Lynx will do you
> no good) and is totally wireless except for power. I think they're too
> expensive right now though or I'd buy one to mess around with.

I have an XT30, it's okay but I'd rather have a Concord or Vista-21iP