Re: Let's say I break into your house 9, was: Good news for US -- Secure Fence Act of 2006

["Petem" <petem001@xxxxxxxxx>]

well,I don't know how you would see it, if tanks would run all over your
village with out warning...

its not because its done by a country army,that's its not terrorism...
building a wall,(and forcing you to move cause you live too close to it) to
prevent some rock throwing kids of doing some wrong,could be seen as a form
of terrorism

bombarding a UN observatory post to help remove possibility of having a
witness to wrong doing..that could be called terrorism?

killing civilian in a flash attack on full country cause someone kidnap 2
man,what do you call that?

its all a matter of perspective...


"Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit dans le message de news:
XiG6h.10519$mR4.1589@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>I don't know that I would call anyone in today's Israeli government acting
>like a terrorist. I'd say that the Israeli military has developed to the
>point where all conflicts with the Palestinian Arabs now fall into the
>asymmetrical warfare category. Arabs throwing rocks to fight against tanks.
>Boy that is a real nail bitter to see who is going to win there. That might
>make the acts of the Israeli military look like terror to some, but only
>the Arabs with their limited military options to oppose Israel have been
>reduced to the actual acts of terrorism as a strategy. That is an important
>distinction. Terrorism was practiced by some Jews during the start of the
>state of Israel no doubt, but at no time has the state of Israel itself had
>a policy supporting terrorism in any form. I'd say the Arabs now have a
>good ass kicking machine to play with. Any time the Arabs want they can
>turn it on and back their own butts into the machine (Israel provides for
>free) and get their asses kicked for as long as they like. To me that's not
>being a victim of terrorism at the hands of the Israel, that is more like
>Arab masochism.
>
> "Petem" <petem001@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:UlD6h.127892$Jq5.938371@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Pretty good post,it does a fairly good resuming of the situation...
>>
>> what I like about what you posted is that you do point out that the Jew
>> were good terrorist(I already knew it,but if I would have said it,I would
>> be declared anti-Semite),in fact there whole govt still act like
>> terrorist in many ways,and after that they have the nerve to say they
>> kill innocent people to get at terrorist....
>>
>> let me predict something,there wont be a settlement of the matter till
>> both side are either totally inaliated
>>
>> If I would tell you,like the Jew did,that part of your country(lets
>> say,NY state) as been given to me and my religion as my holy land,I am
>> sure that even if I tell you its like that,you would not let that go,when
>> I would invade(by asking all the people of my religion to come in NY) the
>> place...
>>
>> the Arab did the same thing and now every one are on there back
>>
>> there is no solution for that conflict ,and the main reason for
>> it....religion.....both religion wont leave an inch to the other...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit dans le message de news:
>> QKz6h.30365$rG.7022@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >but wasnt it because they(the jews) first took over a big part of there
>>> >territory?
>>>
>>> I don't think the Jews took a big part of anyone's territory, except
>>> Moses maybe. And he didn't do that directly, his next in line did. You
>>> know Moses got fouled up on that 'talk to the rock' versus the 'smack
>>> the rock' thing. The Jews weren't the first in Palestine if you take the
>>> Biblical account literally. But by that account the Jews claim God gave
>>> the land to them, but only after a good horror show massacre of the
>>> locals. I have not seen that 'signed by God' land deed yet so I can't
>>> really tell what God gave the Jews, or can anyone else. You know things
>>> did not go well for the Jews once they settled in that part of the
>>> world. The Babylonians et al took them captive just like the Egyptians
>>> did, and the twelve tribes went to one. What ever happened bad up until
>>> then was nothing because the Jews really lost out when the Romans did a
>>> number on the old home town of Jerusalem, and the Temple became a Holy
>>> Roman pork fest! After the Temple became a chariot parking lot, by
>>> courtesy of the Romans combat engineers, an almost magical
>>> transformation of the Jewish religion occured where Temple worship went
>>> sort of on the run (okay, okay "the diaspora"). And that is still pretty
>>> much the religion of the Jews today (until maybe someone builds a Temple
>>> again ).
>>> If you talk about recent history and the formation of the "modern Jewish
>>> State" the Jews didn't really "take over" anything there either. After
>>> the fall of the Ottoman Empire at the end of WWI the British gained
>>> control of the area known as Palestine. The British hated the Jews about
>>> as much as anyone at the time and it made the Balfour Declaration to
>>> support the notion of a Jewish homeland. (It might be more likely that
>>> the Brits just didn't want any more Jews in Britain.) Unfortunately for
>>> the Brits, the Jews turned out to be not only great rebels, they turned
>>> out to be pretty good terrorists too. It was real sport to see the
>>> bodies of Brits blasted out of the St. David's. By 1947 the Brits had
>>> had enough (after making promises to the local Arabs who helped Britain
>>> in WW I&II to control what was the massive influx of Jews to the region,
>>> the Brits broke that promise.)  The Brits said "screw this, we're outa
>>> here" and "turned over" the problem to the UN. Well for once Jewish
>>> hatred helped the Jews get what they wanted, a homeland. The UN split
>>> the land up into two, one Jew and one Arab. The Arabs got the short end
>>> of the deal from then on. Many Arabs fled the from the Jews as the Jews
>>> entered the new Jewish area still occpied by the Arabs, and many Arabs
>>> never came back or were allowed back. Today the Jews can't let the Arabs
>>> come back because the Jews would become a minority in their own country
>>> if they did. The Arabs that decided to get their land back by force only
>>> got their asses kicked and lost more land. This of course has been an
>>> unsolved problem since 1947. To say the Jews "took over" or "took"
>>> anything from the Arabs is not accurate and is just an attempt to over
>>> simplify an otherwise complicated problem. When I see what many call the
>>> Holy Land I only see waste land. I am afraid if any Jews and Arabs ended
>>> up together in West Texas they'd think it was new Jerusalem and start
>>> fighting there too. Why these two groups of essentially the same people
>>> ethnically would waste time fighting over "the Holy Land" is beyond me.
>>> Figuring out how to get them to stop fighting and live together in peace
>>> is beyond me as well (and up until now everyone else too I suppose).
>>>
>>> "Petem" <petem001@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> news:6Ht6h.112281$Jq5.790801@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>> "Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit dans le message de news:
>>>> wOk6h.29983$rG.14839@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Why is anyone the victim of hatred or misinformation? Jews can be no
>>>>> better or worse collectively (or individually) than any other group.
>>>>> The way they act is a part of their religion, customs, and ethics that
>>>>> make up who they are as a people and well as an individual. The hatred
>>>>> that spawns from that is not a problem that the Jews have any
>>>>> responsibility for. Although there are different denominations of the
>>>>> Jewish faith most people seem to lump them together. Since they are
>>>>> seen as one it makes any anti-Jewish laws or activities more
>>>>> effective. The Jewish history contains too many sad episodes of being
>>>>> victims of exploitation, expulsion and massacre.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That, i totally agree with you,but now that this point is agreed,why do
>>>> they now act the same against the poeple of Gaza,and libanon?
>>>>
>>>> yes they did have received a lot of blow from them(palestininan) ,but
>>>> wasnt it because they(the jews) first took over a big part of there
>>>> territory?
>>>> yes ,the territory before was a jewish place,yes, there are temple that
>>>> were built there before the one that were occupying the territory was
>>>> even a tribe,but still,the jew took by force what was not there's
>>>> anymore.......
>>>>
>>>> you know,thats what first created the turmoil in that region,well ,that
>>>> would not be fair,there was allready turmoil,but declaring israel a
>>>> jewish country they've putted fire at the black powder...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "Petem" <petem001@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>>> news:wEh6h.74709$Jq5.595059@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> just one question should be ask here...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> why is it like that? why have they been oppressed by so many power?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the way they act could be a cause...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit dans le message de news:
>>>>>> kWc6h.27347$rG.11382@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>I can't say that the Isreali government has acted in the interests of
>>>>>>>the USA at all times. When Israel deliberately attacked the USS
>>>>>>>Liberty or when Jonathan Jay Pollard was convicted of spying for
>>>>>>>Isreal that certainly hurt the USA. That said, most people think of
>>>>>>>US and Isreali interests as being closely aligned. I don't think that
>>>>>>>the US as a country or its people would allow harm to come to Isreal,
>>>>>>>and I feel that's way it should be. Since the time of Moses the Jews
>>>>>>>have been oppressed by one power or another. The irony is that even
>>>>>>>having their own state has not put them in any less peril. I
>>>>>>>certainly don't have the wisdom to suggest a solution, my hope for
>>>>>>>them is what they hope for themselves when they greet one another
>>>>>>>with the word "Shalom".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Petem" <petem001@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:Nta6h.46178$Jq5.496530@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "G. Morgan" <alarmpro@xxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit dans le message de news:
>>>>>>>> 313il218gnp1go81nm4nhrheqkql103b27@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:56:28 -0500, "Petem" <petem001@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Your way of life is VERY different then what we do here,we have a
>>>>>>>>>>lot more
>>>>>>>>>>tolerance,and respect for other poeple till of course they act
>>>>>>>>>>like
>>>>>>>>>>jerks,then we turn as bad as you,very easily....;-) just ask our
>>>>>>>>>>friend on
>>>>>>>>>>the west bank of the Outaouais river ;-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I just had 2 paragraphs written in response to you, but I'm not
>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>> to post it.  I'll just summarize by saying your posts of late have
>>>>>>>>> nothing to do with 'tolerance' nor 'respect',  especially
>>>>>>>>> concerning
>>>>>>>>> your anti-Semite remarks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> tolerance and respect are not a right you have to act decently to
>>>>>>>> keep it,and after the way the Israel govt acted they lost it,but of
>>>>>>>> course that is not of your concern,the Jew can do what ever they
>>>>>>>> want..no?
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