Re: Let's say I break into your house 9, was: Good news for US -- Secure Fence Act of 2006

["Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

>but wasnt it because they(the jews) first took over a big part of there
>territory?

I don't think the Jews took a big part of anyone's territory, except Moses
maybe. And he didn't do that directly, his next in line did. You know Moses
got fouled up on that 'talk to the rock' versus the 'smack the rock' thing.
The Jews weren't the first in Palestine if you take the Biblical account
literally. But by that account the Jews claim God gave the land to them, but
only after a good horror show massacre of the locals. I have not seen that
'signed by God' land deed yet so I can't really tell what God gave the Jews,
or can anyone else. You know things did not go well for the Jews once they
settled in that part of the world. The Babylonians et al took them captive
just like the Egyptians did, and the twelve tribes went to one. What ever
happened bad up until then was nothing because the Jews really lost out when
the Romans did a number on the old home town of Jerusalem, and the Temple
became a Holy Roman pork fest! After the Temple became a chariot parking
lot, by courtesy of the Romans combat engineers, an almost magical
transformation of the Jewish religion occured where Temple worship went sort
of on the run (okay, okay "the diaspora"). And that is still pretty much the
religion of the Jews today (until maybe someone builds a Temple again ).
If you talk about recent history and the formation of the "modern Jewish
State" the Jews didn't really "take over" anything there either. After the
fall of the Ottoman Empire at the end of WWI the British gained control of
the area known as Palestine. The British hated the Jews about as much as
anyone at the time and it made the Balfour Declaration to support the notion
of a Jewish homeland. (It might be more likely that the Brits just didn't
want any more Jews in Britain.) Unfortunately for the Brits, the Jews turned
out to be not only great rebels, they turned out to be pretty good
terrorists too. It was real sport to see the bodies of Brits blasted out of
the St. David's. By 1947 the Brits had had enough (after making promises to
the local Arabs who helped Britain in WW I&II to control what was the
massive influx of Jews to the region, the Brits broke that promise.)  The
Brits said "screw this, we're outa here" and "turned over" the problem to
the UN. Well for once Jewish hatred helped the Jews get what they wanted, a
homeland. The UN split the land up into two, one Jew and one Arab. The Arabs
got the short end of the deal from then on. Many Arabs fled the from the
Jews as the Jews entered the new Jewish area still occpied by the Arabs, and
many Arabs never came back or were allowed back. Today the Jews can't let
the Arabs come back because the Jews would become a minority in their own
country if they did. The Arabs that decided to get their land back by force
only got their asses kicked and lost more land. This of course has been an
unsolved problem since 1947. To say the Jews "took over" or "took" anything
from the Arabs is not accurate and is just an attempt to over simplify an
otherwise complicated problem. When I see what many call the Holy Land I
only see waste land. I am afraid if any Jews and Arabs ended up together in
West Texas they'd think it was new Jerusalem and start fighting there too.
Why these two groups of essentially the same people ethnically would waste
time fighting over "the Holy Land" is beyond me. Figuring out how to get
them to stop fighting and live together in peace is beyond me as well (and
up until now everyone else too I suppose).

"Petem" <petem001@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit dans le message de news:
> wOk6h.29983$rG.14839@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Why is anyone the victim of hatred or misinformation? Jews can be no
>> better or worse collectively (or individually) than any other group.
>> The way they act is a part of their religion, customs, and ethics that
>> make up who they are as a people and well as an individual. The hatred
>> that spawns from that is not a problem that the Jews have any
>> responsibility for. Although there are different denominations of the
>> Jewish faith most people seem to lump them together. Since they are seen
>> as one it makes any anti-Jewish laws or activities more effective. The
>> Jewish history contains too many sad episodes of being victims of
>> exploitation, expulsion and massacre.
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> That, i totally agree with you,but now that this point is agreed,why do
> they now act the same against the poeple of Gaza,and libanon?
>
> yes they did have received a lot of blow from them(palestininan) ,but
> wasnt it because they(the jews) first took over a big part of there
> territory?
> yes ,the territory before was a jewish place,yes, there are temple that
> were built there before the one that were occupying the territory was even
> a tribe,but still,the jew took by force what was not there's
> anymore.......
>
> you know,thats what first created the turmoil in that region,well ,that
> would not be fair,there was allready turmoil,but declaring israel a jewish
> country they've putted fire at the black powder...
>
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>> "Petem" <petem001@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:wEh6h.74709$Jq5.595059@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> just one question should be ask here...
>>>
>>> why is it like that? why have they been oppressed by so many power?
>>>
>>> the way they act could be a cause...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit dans le message de news:
>>> kWc6h.27347$rG.11382@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>I can't say that the Isreali government has acted in the interests of
>>>>the USA at all times. When Israel deliberately attacked the USS Liberty
>>>>or when Jonathan Jay Pollard was convicted of spying for Isreal that
>>>>certainly hurt the USA. That said, most people think of US and Isreali
>>>>interests as being closely aligned. I don't think that the US as a
>>>>country or its people would allow harm to come to Isreal, and I feel
>>>>that's way it should be. Since the time of Moses the Jews have been
>>>>oppressed by one power or another. The irony is that even having their
>>>>own state has not put them in any less peril. I certainly don't have the
>>>>wisdom to suggest a solution, my hope for them is what they hope for
>>>>themselves when they greet one another with the word "Shalom".
>>>>
>>>> "Petem" <petem001@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>> news:Nta6h.46178$Jq5.496530@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>
>>>>> "G. Morgan" <alarmpro@xxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit dans le message de news:
>>>>> 313il218gnp1go81nm4nhrheqkql103b27@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:56:28 -0500, "Petem" <petem001@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Your way of life is VERY different then what we do here,we have a lot
>>>>>>>more
>>>>>>>tolerance,and respect for other poeple till of course they act like
>>>>>>>jerks,then we turn as bad as you,very easily....;-) just ask our
>>>>>>>friend on
>>>>>>>the west bank of the Outaouais river ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just had 2 paragraphs written in response to you, but I'm not going
>>>>>> to post it.  I'll just summarize by saying your posts of late have
>>>>>> nothing to do with 'tolerance' nor 'respect',  especially concerning
>>>>>> your anti-Semite remarks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> tolerance and respect are not a right you have to act decently to keep
>>>>> it,and after the way the Israel govt acted they lost it,but of course
>>>>> that is not of your concern,the Jew can do what ever they want..no?
>>>>>
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