Re: Let's say I break into your house 9, was: Good news for US -- Secure Fence Act of 2006

["Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I don't know that I would call anyone in today's Israeli government acting
like a terrorist. I'd say that the Israeli military has developed to the
point where all conflicts with the Palestinian Arabs now fall into the
asymmetrical warfare category. Arabs throwing rocks to fight against tanks.
Boy that is a real nail bitter to see who is going to win there. That might
make the acts of the Israeli military look like terror to some, but only the
Arabs with their limited military options to oppose Israel have been reduced
to the actual acts of terrorism as a strategy. That is an important
distinction. Terrorism was practiced by some Jews during the start of the
state of Israel no doubt, but at no time has the state of Israel itself had
a policy supporting terrorism in any form. I'd say the Arabs now have a good
ass kicking machine to play with. Any time the Arabs want they can turn it
on and back their own butts into the machine (Israel provides for free) and
get their asses kicked for as long as they like. To me that's not being a
victim of terrorism at the hands of the Israel, that is more like Arab
masochism.

"Petem" <petem001@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:UlD6h.127892$Jq5.938371@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Pretty good post,it does a fairly good resuming of the situation...
>
> what I like about what you posted is that you do point out that the Jew
> were good terrorist(I already knew it,but if I would have said it,I would
> be declared anti-Semite),in fact there whole govt still act like terrorist
> in many ways,and after that they have the nerve to say they kill innocent
> people to get at terrorist....
>
> let me predict something,there wont be a settlement of the matter till
> both side are either totally inaliated
>
> If I would tell you,like the Jew did,that part of your country(lets say,NY
> state) as been given to me and my religion as my holy land,I am sure that
> even if I tell you its like that,you would not let that go,when I would
> invade(by asking all the people of my religion to come in NY) the place...
>
> the Arab did the same thing and now every one are on there back
>
> there is no solution for that conflict ,and the main reason for
> it....religion.....both religion wont leave an inch to the other...
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> "Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit dans le message de news:
> QKz6h.30365$rG.7022@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >but wasnt it because they(the jews) first took over a big part of there
>> >territory?
>>
>> I don't think the Jews took a big part of anyone's territory, except
>> Moses maybe. And he didn't do that directly, his next in line did. You
>> know Moses got fouled up on that 'talk to the rock' versus the 'smack the
>> rock' thing. The Jews weren't the first in Palestine if you take the
>> Biblical account literally. But by that account the Jews claim God gave
>> the land to them, but only after a good horror show massacre of the
>> locals. I have not seen that 'signed by God' land deed yet so I can't
>> really tell what God gave the Jews, or can anyone else. You know things
>> did not go well for the Jews once they settled in that part of the world.
>> The Babylonians et al took them captive just like the Egyptians did, and
>> the twelve tribes went to one. What ever happened bad up until then was
>> nothing because the Jews really lost out when the Romans did a number on
>> the old home town of Jerusalem, and the Temple became a Holy Roman pork
>> fest! After the Temple became a chariot parking lot, by courtesy of the
>> Romans combat engineers, an almost magical transformation of the Jewish
>> religion occured where Temple worship went sort of on the run (okay, okay
>> "the diaspora"). And that is still pretty much the religion of the Jews
>> today (until maybe someone builds a Temple again ).
>> If you talk about recent history and the formation of the "modern Jewish
>> State" the Jews didn't really "take over" anything there either. After
>> the fall of the Ottoman Empire at the end of WWI the British gained
>> control of the area known as Palestine. The British hated the Jews about
>> as much as anyone at the time and it made the Balfour Declaration to
>> support the notion of a Jewish homeland. (It might be more likely that
>> the Brits just didn't want any more Jews in Britain.) Unfortunately for
>> the Brits, the Jews turned out to be not only great rebels, they turned
>> out to be pretty good terrorists too. It was real sport to see the bodies
>> of Brits blasted out of the St. David's. By 1947 the Brits had had enough
>> (after making promises to the local Arabs who helped Britain in WW I&II
>> to control what was the massive influx of Jews to the region, the Brits
>> broke that promise.)  The Brits said "screw this, we're outa here" and
>> "turned over" the problem to the UN. Well for once Jewish hatred helped
>> the Jews get what they wanted, a homeland. The UN split the land up into
>> two, one Jew and one Arab. The Arabs got the short end of the deal from
>> then on. Many Arabs fled the from the Jews as the Jews entered the new
>> Jewish area still occpied by the Arabs, and many Arabs never came back or
>> were allowed back. Today the Jews can't let the Arabs come back because
>> the Jews would become a minority in their own country if they did. The
>> Arabs that decided to get their land back by force only got their asses
>> kicked and lost more land. This of course has been an unsolved problem
>> since 1947. To say the Jews "took over" or "took" anything from the Arabs
>> is not accurate and is just an attempt to over simplify an otherwise
>> complicated problem. When I see what many call the Holy Land I only see
>> waste land. I am afraid if any Jews and Arabs ended up together in West
>> Texas they'd think it was new Jerusalem and start fighting there too. Why
>> these two groups of essentially the same people ethnically would waste
>> time fighting over "the Holy Land" is beyond me. Figuring out how to get
>> them to stop fighting and live together in peace is beyond me as well
>> (and up until now everyone else too I suppose).
>>
>> "Petem" <petem001@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:6Ht6h.112281$Jq5.790801@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>>> "Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit dans le message de news:
>>> wOk6h.29983$rG.14839@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Why is anyone the victim of hatred or misinformation? Jews can be no
>>>> better or worse collectively (or individually) than any other group.
>>>> The way they act is a part of their religion, customs, and ethics that
>>>> make up who they are as a people and well as an individual. The hatred
>>>> that spawns from that is not a problem that the Jews have any
>>>> responsibility for. Although there are different denominations of the
>>>> Jewish faith most people seem to lump them together. Since they are
>>>> seen as one it makes any anti-Jewish laws or activities more effective.
>>>> The Jewish history contains too many sad episodes of being victims of
>>>> exploitation, expulsion and massacre.
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>>>
>>> That, i totally agree with you,but now that this point is agreed,why do
>>> they now act the same against the poeple of Gaza,and libanon?
>>>
>>> yes they did have received a lot of blow from them(palestininan) ,but
>>> wasnt it because they(the jews) first took over a big part of there
>>> territory?
>>> yes ,the territory before was a jewish place,yes, there are temple that
>>> were built there before the one that were occupying the territory was
>>> even a tribe,but still,the jew took by force what was not there's
>>> anymore.......
>>>
>>> you know,thats what first created the turmoil in that region,well ,that
>>> would not be fair,there was allready turmoil,but declaring israel a
>>> jewish country they've putted fire at the black powder...
>>>
>>>
>>>> "Petem" <petem001@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>> news:wEh6h.74709$Jq5.595059@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> just one question should be ask here...
>>>>>
>>>>> why is it like that? why have they been oppressed by so many power?
>>>>>
>>>>> the way they act could be a cause...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit dans le message de news:
>>>>> kWc6h.27347$rG.11382@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>I can't say that the Isreali government has acted in the interests of
>>>>>>the USA at all times. When Israel deliberately attacked the USS
>>>>>>Liberty or when Jonathan Jay Pollard was convicted of spying for
>>>>>>Isreal that certainly hurt the USA. That said, most people think of US
>>>>>>and Isreali interests as being closely aligned. I don't think that the
>>>>>>US as a country or its people would allow harm to come to Isreal, and
>>>>>>I feel that's way it should be. Since the time of Moses the Jews have
>>>>>>been oppressed by one power or another. The irony is that even having
>>>>>>their own state has not put them in any less peril. I certainly don't
>>>>>>have the wisdom to suggest a solution, my hope for them is what they
>>>>>>hope for themselves when they greet one another with the word
>>>>>>"Shalom".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Petem" <petem001@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:Nta6h.46178$Jq5.496530@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "G. Morgan" <alarmpro@xxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit dans le message de news:
>>>>>>> 313il218gnp1go81nm4nhrheqkql103b27@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:56:28 -0500, "Petem" <petem001@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Your way of life is VERY different then what we do here,we have a
>>>>>>>>>lot more
>>>>>>>>>tolerance,and respect for other poeple till of course they act like
>>>>>>>>>jerks,then we turn as bad as you,very easily....;-) just ask our
>>>>>>>>>friend on
>>>>>>>>>the west bank of the Outaouais river ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just had 2 paragraphs written in response to you, but I'm not
>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>> to post it.  I'll just summarize by saying your posts of late have
>>>>>>>> nothing to do with 'tolerance' nor 'respect',  especially
>>>>>>>> concerning
>>>>>>>> your anti-Semite remarks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> tolerance and respect are not a right you have to act decently to
>>>>>>> keep it,and after the way the Israel govt acted they lost it,but of
>>>>>>> course that is not of your concern,the Jew can do what ever they
>>>>>>> want..no?
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