Re: More VOIP/Digital Voice

["Mark Leuck" <m..leuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

"Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> > I'm well aware of all this and it has nothing to do with what I was
> > talking
> > about which was that DSC was in financial trouble when Tyco bought
>them.
>
> If you knew all this and still thought it was a good thing that TYCO took
> over I sure don't want to be around for the stuff that is bad in you're
> view.

I never said it was a good thing that Tyco bought them in fact I'd rather
another company would have (Honeywell was looking at buying them a while
back). We were a large DSC company until Tyco bought them, can't go funding
a competitor ya know

> I don't know what shape DSC was in financially prior to the TYCO purchase.
I
> knew several of the reps back then and they never said or acted like
> anything was wrong.

They never will say that

> They were still driving their Lexus cars around so I was
> never aware of any problems. Being a private company at the time meant
they
> didn't have to disclose that information. Even if DSC was in trouble back
> then, it still doesn't change the fact that things still haven't improved
> for me in any way under TYCO's ownership of DSC (or CEM, or Kantech, or
> Software House, or AD). But I guess you're going to tell me how wrong I am
> about that too.

All I can tell you is Tyco dumped millions into improving and expanding
production which is the primary reason why ADT still uses Honeywell panels

> > Why would you think I live in Canada?
>
> I guess it would bug me too if someone thought I was Canadian. That is not
> what I am "aboat". I thought I smelled a puff of something coming through
> the screen when I read those posts of yours. I know our northern neighbors
> don't like passing laws against that roll your own stuff, so I thought
maybe
> you were up there sparking up. It was the only thing I could come up with
at
> the time to explain or make any sense out of what you were posting. Notre
> principal outil pour communiquer. On peut donc s'en servir comme étalon
afin
> de jauger d'autres moyens de communication.

Rolling your own stuff? ohhhkayyyyyy

>
> "Mark Leuck" <m..leuck@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > news:e4Oeh.4506$qp1.1117@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > What you fail to recognize is the ability of these large companies to
> > fuel
> >> > more innovation in regards to panels, expansion modules etc, I know
> >> > several
> >> > instances where either ITI/Caddx or Ademco couldn't put out equipment
> > back
> >> > in ye ole days that they can now.
> >> >
> >> > DSC would be dead without Tyco, you will likely never realize the
> > benefits
> >> > these big bad companies have done for you.
> >>
> >> Certainly you aren't serious! You have to be trying to pull me leg on
> > this.
> >> Let's see TYCO takes over and gets rid of the (more or less) forever
> >> warranty policy on panels. Then it refuses to fix panels. Then it
> >> shortens
> >> the warranty period on the panels. Yes that really helped me. Thanks
> >> TYCO.
> >> Boy was I ever stupid to ever think otherwise.
> >> Then  TYCO dumps product lines without warning (all of Communiqué for
> >> example) and then won't fix them. CP-01 comes out and now I can only
sell
> >> three panels that DSC makes, that is the 1616, 1832 1864, which are all
> >> really the exact same base panel, just with different chipsets. MAXSYS
is
> >> going to be back in a couple of years 'maybe' even though they've know
> > about
> >> CP-01 coming for several years already. Yes that "shows more innovation
> >> in
> >> regards to panels". Yes, thanks again TYCO! Oh I forgot to mention that
> >> of
> >> those few DSC panels I can use now, some of those have been recalled
> >> already, and I've yet to get the replacements promised, even after
> > crawling
> >> up the factory boys ass in a face to face twice already. They say they
> >> are
> >> having trouble with their new on line system and their own factory
> > accounts
> >> are locked up. Man you're right. 'I will likely never realize the
> >> benefits
> >> these big bad companies have done for me.' DSC would be dead without
> >> Tyco?
> >> Or perhaps TYCO's running of DSC will kill it. I guess, even as big as
> >> you
> >> say you are, you're not an AD, Kantech, CEM or Software House dealer.
If
> > so
> >> you couldn't have missed the letters the TYCO accounting office sends
out
> >> when they get low on cash. It is almost funny to read them. Most of
them
> > say
> >> (more or less) we know you're not late but please send cash by XXX
date.
> >> I
> >> like it when a big company has a cash flow problem and they, in turn,
try
> > to
> >> make it mine too. Way to share! If I keep paying invoices early maybe
> > Dennis
> >> will send me an invite to the next Toga party when he gets out.
> >
> > I'm well aware of all this and it has nothing to do with what I was
> > talking
> > about which was that DSC was in financial trouble when Tyco bought them
> >
> >
> >> > Time will tell on that, large companies tend to get too stuck in
their
> >> > ways
> >> > and falter like IBM, Sears, GM and Ford.
> >>
> >> Maybe it's time to add TYCO to that list too.
> >> Aren't you from Canada? I hear the weed is really powerful and almost
> > legal
> >> there. If it's not too cold you might want to open a window now and
then,
> >> because through all that smoke, ironically enough, Bass' point of view
is
> >> getting clearer all the time.
> >
> > Why would you think I live in Canada?
> >
> >
>
>