Re: More VOIP/Digital Voice

["Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

>> knew several of the reps back then and they never said or acted like
>> anything was wrong.

> They never will say that

But they might be putting out feelers and looking for another job (like a
lot of guys at Radionics were doing prior to the ultimate DS and Bosch buy
out).

>All I can tell you is Tyco dumped millions into improving and expanding
>production which is the primary reason why ADT still uses Honeywell
> >panels.

ADT uses a lot of DSC here in this area. In fact that is all I have seen
them use here in the past couple of years.

> Rolling your own stuff? ohhhkayyyyyy

Take it from Clinton, weed is bad for you when you inhale it. I think it is
better to use it the way the drug dealers package it and eat it by the bale.
The down side is it takes hours and hours just to finish one and I still
haven't found a good dressing that I like.


"Mark Leuck" <m..leuck@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> > I'm well aware of all this and it has nothing to do with what I was
>> > talking
>> > about which was that DSC was in financial trouble when Tyco bought
>>them.
>>
>> If you knew all this and still thought it was a good thing that TYCO took
>> over I sure don't want to be around for the stuff that is bad in you're
>> view.
>
> I never said it was a good thing that Tyco bought them in fact I'd rather
> another company would have (Honeywell was looking at buying them a while
> back). We were a large DSC company until Tyco bought them, can't go
> funding
> a competitor ya know
>
>> I don't know what shape DSC was in financially prior to the TYCO
>> purchase.
> I
>> knew several of the reps back then and they never said or acted like
>> anything was wrong.
>
> They never will say that
>
>> They were still driving their Lexus cars around so I was
>> never aware of any problems. Being a private company at the time meant
> they
>> didn't have to disclose that information. Even if DSC was in trouble back
>> then, it still doesn't change the fact that things still haven't improved
>> for me in any way under TYCO's ownership of DSC (or CEM, or Kantech, or
>> Software House, or AD). But I guess you're going to tell me how wrong I
>> am
>> about that too.
>
> All I can tell you is Tyco dumped millions into improving and expanding
> production which is the primary reason why ADT still uses Honeywell panels
>
>> > Why would you think I live in Canada?
>>
>> I guess it would bug me too if someone thought I was Canadian. That is
>> not
>> what I am "aboat". I thought I smelled a puff of something coming through
>> the screen when I read those posts of yours. I know our northern
>> neighbors
>> don't like passing laws against that roll your own stuff, so I thought
> maybe
>> you were up there sparking up. It was the only thing I could come up with
> at
>> the time to explain or make any sense out of what you were posting. Notre
>> principal outil pour communiquer. On peut donc s'en servir comme étalon
> afin
>> de jauger d'autres moyens de communication.
>
> Rolling your own stuff? ohhhkayyyyyy
>
>>
>> "Mark Leuck" <m..leuck@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> > "Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> >> > What you fail to recognize is the ability of these large companies
>> >> > to
>> > fuel
>> >> > more innovation in regards to panels, expansion modules etc, I know
>> >> > several
>> >> > instances where either ITI/Caddx or Ademco couldn't put out
>> >> > equipment
>> > back
>> >> > in ye ole days that they can now.
>> >> >
>> >> > DSC would be dead without Tyco, you will likely never realize the
>> > benefits
>> >> > these big bad companies have done for you.
>> >>
>> >> Certainly you aren't serious! You have to be trying to pull me leg on
>> > this.
>> >> Let's see TYCO takes over and gets rid of the (more or less) forever
>> >> warranty policy on panels. Then it refuses to fix panels. Then it
>> >> shortens
>> >> the warranty period on the panels. Yes that really helped me. Thanks
>> >> TYCO.
>> >> Boy was I ever stupid to ever think otherwise.
>> >> Then  TYCO dumps product lines without warning (all of Communiqué for
>> >> example) and then won't fix them. CP-01 comes out and now I can only
> sell
>> >> three panels that DSC makes, that is the 1616, 1832 1864, which are
>> >> all
>> >> really the exact same base panel, just with different chipsets. MAXSYS
> is
>> >> going to be back in a couple of years 'maybe' even though they've know
>> > about
>> >> CP-01 coming for several years already. Yes that "shows more
>> >> innovation
>> >> in
>> >> regards to panels". Yes, thanks again TYCO! Oh I forgot to mention
>> >> that
>> >> of
>> >> those few DSC panels I can use now, some of those have been recalled
>> >> already, and I've yet to get the replacements promised, even after
>> > crawling
>> >> up the factory boys ass in a face to face twice already. They say they
>> >> are
>> >> having trouble with their new on line system and their own factory
>> > accounts
>> >> are locked up. Man you're right. 'I will likely never realize the
>> >> benefits
>> >> these big bad companies have done for me.' DSC would be dead without
>> >> Tyco?
>> >> Or perhaps TYCO's running of DSC will kill it. I guess, even as big as
>> >> you
>> >> say you are, you're not an AD, Kantech, CEM or Software House dealer.
> If
>> > so
>> >> you couldn't have missed the letters the TYCO accounting office sends
> out
>> >> when they get low on cash. It is almost funny to read them. Most of
> them
>> > say
>> >> (more or less) we know you're not late but please send cash by XXX
> date.
>> >> I
>> >> like it when a big company has a cash flow problem and they, in turn,
> try
>> > to
>> >> make it mine too. Way to share! If I keep paying invoices early maybe
>> > Dennis
>> >> will send me an invite to the next Toga party when he gets out.
>> >
>> > I'm well aware of all this and it has nothing to do with what I was
>> > talking
>> > about which was that DSC was in financial trouble when Tyco bought them
>> >
>> >
>> >> > Time will tell on that, large companies tend to get too stuck in
> their
>> >> > ways
>> >> > and falter like IBM, Sears, GM and Ford.
>> >>
>> >> Maybe it's time to add TYCO to that list too.
>> >> Aren't you from Canada? I hear the weed is really powerful and almost
>> > legal
>> >> there. If it's not too cold you might want to open a window now and
> then,
>> >> because through all that smoke, ironically enough, Bass' point of view
> is
>> >> getting clearer all the time.
>> >
>> > Why would you think I live in Canada?
>> >
>> >
>>
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