Re: More VOIP/Digital Voice

["Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

>I forgot to mention my company is one of the largest if not THE largest in
>the nation, this has nothing to do with my opinion. I deal with GE and
>Honeywell on a daily basis and all I can say is your opinion is incorrect.

If you're a large company it is less likely that you would have the same
issues as a smaller company in competing with the likes of GE or Honeywell.

>Well so far they have been doing a miserable job if that is the goal.

I agree, but if they ever start doing a good job it could make things at
least a little tougher, at worst a lot tougher.

> There is nothing wrong with what GE is doing. I don't like being on the
very
> small end of a David and Goliath type struggle.
 > I don't have to like being
> thrown into the fray, nor do I have to support the adversary by continuing
> to purchase GE gear. There is nothing wrong with that either.
>Gee for not seeing anything wrong you sure see a lot of things wrong, do
> >you have a solid opinion on ANYTHING?

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough, I meant there is nothing wrong with GE
chasing their own interests, and at the same time nothing wrong with me as a
competitor not liking what they are doing when it impacts me.

> And what you can't seem to understand is GE like those previously
> mentioned
> companies also faces problems of their own, Big companies like that tend
> over a long period of time to misread the market, react slowly and get out
> when the going gets tough. GE and Honeywell have a lot of irons in the
> fire,
> security is just one and both companies have a completely different way of
> doing business. I deal with them every day.

I hope their size helps them to continue to get in there own way.

>> Yes, a bunch. Aleph, Bosch, DMP, Electronics Line, HAI, Inovonics, Potter
>> Electric, SK and many more.
>
> Exactly!

None of the other companies mentioned is the size of GE and has a go to
market plan like GE. I see that plan as trouble. You seem to think that they
can never get it together and follow their own plan, or will simply change
it for no reason. I don't know which is right. I know that it is right for a
small company like ours not connected with GE to have some concerns. GE has
hurt the company I work with. Until I see GE as a company that clearly helps
my company, I am unlikely to go out of my way to help support them.

"Mark Leuck" <m..leuck@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> > Yes I often ponder the potential evils, political leanings, charity
>> > contributions, sexual preferences of the manufacturer, doesn't
>> > everyone?
>
>> GE purchased wholesale many previously independent manufacturers. It is
> not
>> unusual that the good will these companies had would still carry over to
> GE.
>> The things you mention about political leaning and such aren't important
> to
>> me and probably aren't important to anyone but to GE and its
>> shareholders.
>> What is important are things unique to GE and the GE marketing strategy.
>> According to GE, when it finished its latest round of purchases it was
> left
>> with over 1300 dealers to support. That is the way this industry was
>> founded, more or less, was with smaller dealers; but GE doesn't want to
>> offer support to maintaining that marketing structure within this
> industry.
>> GE's idea is to knock that 1300 it has down to 200 and then to 100. As
>> one
>> of the dealers that was unexpectedly chopped off, I can tell you that it
> did
>> cause problems. I am not saying that GE was evil, up to no good, etc. I
>> am
>> just pointing out that to date their actions have had a negative impact,
>
> I don't see how, assuming the above is true those dealers went to other
> companies, nature abhores a vacuum.
>
>> especially on smaller dealers. The GE marketing plan is important not
>> just
>> to 100 dealers GE plans to have left standing, it is important to other
> non
>> GE dealers because of the way GE plans to support those 100 dealers
> against
>> competing dealers supporting other vendors. You can pretend that this
> would
>> not ever bother you if you like. I believe it will be something to plan
> for
>> on every large job that GE gets involved with as a competitor against
>> you.
>
> It still doesn't bother me
>
>> Your thought process is 2 dimensional if you think it is just GE with
> there
>> box of widgets versus another dealer and his or her box of widgets. The
>> GE
>> guy is going to compete with you on the price point of the products,
> further
>> discounted by the amount of non alarm GE product volume the end user
>> purchases, and the total financial picture. When the deal is done with a
> GE
>> dealer, it might just take a signature with no cash or percentage down,
>> no
>> draw schedule etc. That GE dealer's effort will be financed end to end
>> and
>> on both sides by GE, at the same time GE is selling the gear to the
>> dealer
>> and end user at price points you could only dream about. GE wants its 100
>> dealers to prosper, and it may be at your expense. When a successful GE
>> dealer (a.k.a. strategic partner) lands in your backyard how many extra
> bids
>> per month are you going to have to do to keep the same level of workload?
>
> I forgot to mention my company is one of the largest if not THE largest in
> the nation, this has nothing to do with my opinion. I deal with GE and
> Honeywell on a daily basis and all I can say is your opinion is incorrect
>
>> How much will your margins have to decrease to meet the competition? How
>> will your relationship with your bank be changed when you suddenly need a
>> lot more working capital to offer a GE type deal to customers just to
> remain
>> competitive?
>
> We take no working capital from GE
>
>>In short, GE wishes to create a dealer network consisting of
>> high parts volume dealers, working in protected areas and to integrate
> those
>> dealers' efforts into all other product lines GE offers, using aggressive
>> pricing and financing as the marketing weapons of choice.
>
> Well so far they have been doing a miserable job if that is the goal
>
>> There is nothing wrong with what GE is doing. I don't like being on the
> very
>> small end of a David and Goliath type struggle.
> > I don't have to like being
>> thrown into the fray, nor do I have to support the adversary by
>> continuing
>> to purchase GE gear. There is nothing wrong with that either.
>
> Gee for not seeing anything wrong you sure see a lot of things wrong, do
> you
> have a solid opinion on ANYTHING?
>
>> > Speaking of massive conglomerates getting into the alarm industry what
>> > happened to them?
>> > 1. AT&T (8000...enough said)
>> > 2. Sprint  (FonSafe anyone?)
>> > 3. Telcoms (big 0)
>> > 4. Power companies (late 1990's, caused massive consolidation and more
>> > business for small companies)
>> GE is different than any companies you mention. For one it is much larger
>> than any of these companies you list and two it is involved in many types
> of
>> business activities, and it is not focused or identified with just a
> single
>> industry. GE is not using a marketing strategy in any way similar to
>> these
>> companies either. GE has not really taken their marketing effort in this
>> industry all that seriously just yet, the guys at the top might not even
>> realize yet that they own a big chunk of the security industry. I am
>> thankful for that. If they can cause all of this trouble accidentally, I
>> don't want to be on the other end of the focus of their serious efforts.
>> I
>> suspect no one that posts here does.
>
> And what you can't seem to understand is GE like those previously
> mentioned
> companies also faces problems of their own, Big companies like that tend
> over a long period of time to misread the market, react slowly and get out
> when the going gets tough. GE and Honeywell have a lot of irons in the
> fire,
> security is just one and both companies have a completely different way of
> doing business. I deal with them every day
>
>> > And if you don't like it you can....you can.....hey go to Napco,
>> > Honeywell,
>> > Visonic, DSC, Linear.....did I leave anyone out?
>
>> Yes, a bunch. Aleph, Bosch, DMP, Electronics Line, HAI, Inovonics, Potter
>> Electric, SK and many more.
>
> Exactly!
>
>