Re: SooooOOOOOOOOOO ?

[Jim Davis <alarminex@xxxxxxx>]

On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 9:18:09 PM UTC-4, ABLE1 wrote:
> On 5/27/2021 8:36 PM, Jim Davis wrote:=20
> > On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 6:11:21 PM UTC-4, ABLE1 wrote:=20
> >> On 5/26/2021 3:56 PM, RTS wrote:=20
> >>> On 5/26/2021 12:17 PM, ABLE1 wrote:=20
> >>>> On 5/26/2021 12:48 PM, Jim Davis wrote:=20
> >>>>> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 9:48:49 PM UTC-4, ABLE1 wrote:=20
> >>>>>> On 5/25/2021 6:45 PM, Jim Davis wrote:=20
> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 9:17:40 AM UTC-4, ABLE1 wrote:=20
> >>>>>>>> On 5/24/2021 7:41 PM, Jim Davis wrote:=20
> >>>>>>>>> Les,=20
> >>>>>>>>> I never looked into either the 2GIG or Alarm dot Com products o=
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> >>>>>>>>> services. I don't have the feintest idea of what either of them=
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> >>>>>>>>> do. At this stage of my life, It's probably my inherant rejecti=
on=20
> >>>>>>>>> of having to learn how to program a new panel. Especially since=
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> >>>>>>>>> I've been installing only Napco panels for over 40 years. I don=
't=20
> >>>>>>>>> mind learning a new product like Ubiquity, or Starlink etc, - -=
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> >>>>>>>>> - - - - But a new panel ?=20
> >>>>>>>>> I don't know why but - - - - Oooogie !=20
> >>>>>>>>> .=20
> >>>>>>>>> Also, what method did you use to travel the 350 feet with the=
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> >>>>>>>>> network?=20
> >>>>>>>> As for 2GIG GC2e panel. It has a lot of capabilities. The=20
> >>>>>>>> documentation for this panel sucks, as most do these days.=20
> >>>>>>>> The system allows voice notices for a zone being opened.=20
> >>>>>>>> Such as "Front Door Open". On of the zones on this new=20
> >>>>>>>> install is "Interior Garage Door". You don't type in the names=
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> >>>>>>>> you have to choose from a list that is provided in the docs.=20
> >>>>>>>> There are maybe 286 different words and or phrases that are=20
> >>>>>>>> available.=20
> >>>>>>>> The unit has a touch screen and when you are at the location to=
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> >>>>>>>> program=20
> >>>>>>>> the zone names the first is shown as "abort" and you can type in=
 the=20
> >>>>>>>> word number to enter the first word. So I look at the list of=20
> >>>>>>>> words and=20
> >>>>>>>> go to the "G's" - the first G is "Game" it is number 100 on the =
list.=20
> >>>>>>>> The next is "Garbage" it is number 101. Looking at the rest of t=
he=20
> >>>>>>>> list=20
> >>>>>>>> there is no "Garage". I am thinking that's odd. So I find the th=
e=20
> >>>>>>>> docs say that it is for Firmware v1.31. I check the panel it is=
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> >>>>>>>> v1.32.=20
> >>>>>>>> hmmmmmmm so I look on line and the docs that I have is all that =
are=20
> >>>>>>>> available. ??????? I then think maybe the panel has a Garage in =
place=20
> >>>>>>>> but I don't know the number. So I start tapping the next key unt=
il I=20
> >>>>>>>> reach the "G's". 100 is "Game" and 101 is "Garage" and there is=
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> >>>>>>>> NO GARBAGE!!! Stupid TYPO!!!!=20
> >>>>>>>>=20
> >>>>>>>> Anyhow, you have now been educated with Chapter 101a of 2GIG Sec=
urity=20
> >>>>>>>> Panels by Professor Les. Hope that made your day!!!=20
> >>>>>>>>=20
> >>>>>>>> Have a better day!!!=20
> >>>>>>>>=20
> >>>>>>>> Les=20
> >>>>>>> Lots of years ago, I think FBI had a talking panel and then there=
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> >>>>>>> was (I think ) Apex. And if I'm not mistaken, Napco has one also.=
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> >>>>>>> Doesn't the "Freedom" keypad have voice? I forgot.=20
> >>>>>>> I thought the talking keypad was just a fabulous feature years ag=
o.=20
> >>>>>>> BUT, - - - - on the few I installed the customers all called me=
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> >>>>>>> back and asked me to shut it off because it was too annoying to=
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> >>>>>>> have to constantly hear "The sliding door is open", "The sliding=
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> >>>>>>> door is open", "The sliding door is open", "The sliding door is=
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> >>>>>>> open", - - - - as the kids went in and out to the pool.=20
> >>>>>>> And on those panels the user didn't have access to turn off the v=
oice=20
> >>>>>>> I think there was a car that had a voice notification too. "A doo=
r=20
> >>>>>>> is open" etc, etc while you were trying to talk to somo one. That=
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> >>>>>>> lasted about one model and the next year it was gone.=20
> >>>>>>>=20
> >>>>>>>=20
> >>>>>>> So again though. How did you get the network to the barn? Cable,?=
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> >>>>>>> Ubiquity outdoor access point? Semaphore? Dixi cups and string?=
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> >>>>>> Sorry Jim my bad!! Got distracted......................=20
> >>>>>>=20
> >>>>>> Originally I ran cable from the house to a tobacco barn to a Data=
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> >>>>>> Switch=20
> >>>>>> and then up a hill in conduit to a pole that I mounted a EnGenius=
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> >>>>>> wireless bridge that sent the signal to another one on the barn th=
at is=20
> >>>>>> about 120' away. From that unit cabled 200' through the attic=20
> >>>>>> of the barn to another switch and a EnGenius WiFi Point. That work=
ed=20
> >>>>>> fine until there was a lighting bolt and some parts went elsewhere=
.=20
> >>>>>> Replaced the EnGenius with Ubiquity antennas. Again all seems to w=
ork=20
> >>>>>> fine.=20
> >>>>>>=20
> >>>>>> Now they want to start streaming video from the barn. The speeds=
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> >>>>>> can't handle it and it was decided to hardwire all the way to the=
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> >>>>>> barn with Data Switches to boost the signal. Will be placing=20
> >>>>>> Ubiquity Wireless Points. 1 ea. U6-LR and 3 ea. U6-Lite units=20
> >>>>>> placed in the barn and stable areas to get coverage.=20
> >>>>>>=20
> >>>>>> There will be a Unifi Cloudkey installed to control all the points=
.=20
> >>>>>>=20
> >>>>>> Cabling will be a pain!! But doable. All T&M.=20
> >>>>>>=20
> >>>>>> Hope all that makes sense.=20
> >>>>>=20
> >>>>>=20
> >>>>> WOW!=20
> >>>>> And all that just so the cows can watch Opra! and Dr. Pol.=20
> >>>>> Amazing.=20
> >>>>> Well, I guess there's something better about the milk from a=20
> >>>>> satisfied cow.=20
> >>>>>=20
> >>>> Oh, I guess I forgot to mention that this is a=20
> >>>> Horse Riding/Training Barn. No Cows on the property.=20
> >>>>=20
> >>>> Les=20
> >>>>=20
> >>>>=20
> >>>>=20
> >>>>=20
> >>> now come on Les, there's cows there, there just "on" the horses...=20
> >>> ;-)=20
> >>>=20
> >>> RTS=20
> >>>=20
> >> That's Funny!! But, comparing a cow to the good looking riders is=20
> >> bit off key. I would have chosen another 4 footed animal to compare! :=
-)=20
> >>=20
> >> Actually there are Cows on the Amish Farm that is on the other side=20
> >> of the road. Along with Horse Teams for pulling Plows and Buggies.=20
> >> Ain't no technology as we know it, happening there!!=20
> >>=20
> >> Les=20
> > Hey Les=20
> >=20
> > Maybe you could talk the Amish into buying some plastic cups and rolls =
of string for local communication and some megaphones for long distance.=20
> >=20
> > So have you ever heard this one?=20
> > What is this=20
> > clip-- - - - clop, clip - - - clop, clip - - - --clop, clip-clop, clip-=
clop, , BANG, BANG, BANG, clippity-clop, clipity-clop, clippity-clop, clipi=
ty-clop=20
> >=20
> > It's an Amish drive by shooting.=20
> >
> Yes, that is a very oldie!!=20
>=20
> I had a job to install a Fire Alarm in a renovated building that=20
> was going to have 8 apartments. The building owner/contractor=20
> was Amish. The deal was 50% to start, 30% on delivery of equipment=20
> and 20% on completion. Did the pre-wire and when the place was=20
> ready to start the install I got the equipment and delivered to=20
> location and received a check for $2600. Two days later I found=20
> out that the check had bounced. I was on my way to another job.=20
> I turned around and when to the apartment site. The place was=20
> locked up, no one on site. I got the outside key and went inside=20
> and removed all the parts and placed in my van. Then I called=20
> the Amish guy on his cell phone. I told him his check bounced=20
> and if he wanted the job completed it would have to be cash or=20
> a cashiers check before I would continue. He said, "Well you=20
> don't know how to work with the Amish!!" I never told him that=20
> I had removed the equipment and I never went back. I informed=20
> the local inspector I was off the job. I used the equipment=20
> on other jobs there after.=20
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> Les
Sounds to me as if you know how to work with the Amish very well indeed !

I think there is this mythical notion that because the Amish lead a very au=
stere life style reminiscent of a more innocent and - - -  a person is as g=
ood as his hand shake  - -  times, that they are not up to date in the whee=
ling and dealings of todays business.
If you want to delve into it, do some research on who was associated with e=
nforcement for Howard Hughes during his Las Vegas days.