Re: SooooOOOOOOOOOO ?

[mleuck <m.leuck@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 11:12:30 AM UTC-5, alar...@xxxxxxx wrote:
> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 9:18:09 PM UTC-4, ABLE1 wrote:=20
> > On 5/27/2021 8:36 PM, Jim Davis wrote:=20
> > > On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 6:11:21 PM UTC-4, ABLE1 wrote:=20
> > >> On 5/26/2021 3:56 PM, RTS wrote:=20
> > >>> On 5/26/2021 12:17 PM, ABLE1 wrote:=20
> > >>>> On 5/26/2021 12:48 PM, Jim Davis wrote:=20
> > >>>>> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 9:48:49 PM UTC-4, ABLE1 wrote:=20
> > >>>>>> On 5/25/2021 6:45 PM, Jim Davis wrote:=20
> > >>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 9:17:40 AM UTC-4, ABLE1 wrote:=20
> > >>>>>>>> On 5/24/2021 7:41 PM, Jim Davis wrote:=20
> > >>>>>>>>> Les,=20
> > >>>>>>>>> I never looked into either the 2GIG or Alarm dot Com products=
 or=20
> > >>>>>>>>> services. I don't have the feintest idea of what either of th=
em=20
> > >>>>>>>>> do. At this stage of my life, It's probably my inherant rejec=
tion=20
> > >>>>>>>>> of having to learn how to program a new panel. Especially sin=
ce=20
> > >>>>>>>>> I've been installing only Napco panels for over 40 years. I d=
on't=20
> > >>>>>>>>> mind learning a new product like Ubiquity, or Starlink etc, -=
 - -=20
> > >>>>>>>>> - - - - But a new panel ?=20
> > >>>>>>>>> I don't know why but - - - - Oooogie !=20
> > >>>>>>>>> .=20
> > >>>>>>>>> Also, what method did you use to travel the 350 feet with the=
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> > >>>>>>>>> network?=20
> > >>>>>>>> As for 2GIG GC2e panel. It has a lot of capabilities. The=20
> > >>>>>>>> documentation for this panel sucks, as most do these days.=20
> > >>>>>>>> The system allows voice notices for a zone being opened.=20
> > >>>>>>>> Such as "Front Door Open". On of the zones on this new=20
> > >>>>>>>> install is "Interior Garage Door". You don't type in the names=
=20
> > >>>>>>>> you have to choose from a list that is provided in the docs.=
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> > >>>>>>>> There are maybe 286 different words and or phrases that are=20
> > >>>>>>>> available.=20
> > >>>>>>>> The unit has a touch screen and when you are at the location t=
o=20
> > >>>>>>>> program=20
> > >>>>>>>> the zone names the first is shown as "abort" and you can type =
in the=20
> > >>>>>>>> word number to enter the first word. So I look at the list of=
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> > >>>>>>>> words and=20
> > >>>>>>>> go to the "G's" - the first G is "Game" it is number 100 on th=
e list.=20
> > >>>>>>>> The next is "Garbage" it is number 101. Looking at the rest of=
 the=20
> > >>>>>>>> list=20
> > >>>>>>>> there is no "Garage". I am thinking that's odd. So I find the =
the=20
> > >>>>>>>> docs say that it is for Firmware v1.31. I check the panel it i=
s=20
> > >>>>>>>> v1.32.=20
> > >>>>>>>> hmmmmmmm so I look on line and the docs that I have is all tha=
t are=20
> > >>>>>>>> available. ??????? I then think maybe the panel has a Garage i=
n place=20
> > >>>>>>>> but I don't know the number. So I start tapping the next key u=
ntil I=20
> > >>>>>>>> reach the "G's". 100 is "Game" and 101 is "Garage" and there i=
s=20
> > >>>>>>>> NO GARBAGE!!! Stupid TYPO!!!!=20
> > >>>>>>>>=20
> > >>>>>>>> Anyhow, you have now been educated with Chapter 101a of 2GIG S=
ecurity=20
> > >>>>>>>> Panels by Professor Les. Hope that made your day!!!=20
> > >>>>>>>>=20
> > >>>>>>>> Have a better day!!!=20
> > >>>>>>>>=20
> > >>>>>>>> Les=20
> > >>>>>>> Lots of years ago, I think FBI had a talking panel and then the=
re=20
> > >>>>>>> was (I think ) Apex. And if I'm not mistaken, Napco has one als=
o.=20
> > >>>>>>> Doesn't the "Freedom" keypad have voice? I forgot.=20
> > >>>>>>> I thought the talking keypad was just a fabulous feature years =
ago.=20
> > >>>>>>> BUT, - - - - on the few I installed the customers all called me=
=20
> > >>>>>>> back and asked me to shut it off because it was too annoying to=
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> > >>>>>>> have to constantly hear "The sliding door is open", "The slidin=
g=20
> > >>>>>>> door is open", "The sliding door is open", "The sliding door is=
=20
> > >>>>>>> open", - - - - as the kids went in and out to the pool.=20
> > >>>>>>> And on those panels the user didn't have access to turn off the=
 voice=20
> > >>>>>>> I think there was a car that had a voice notification too. "A d=
oor=20
> > >>>>>>> is open" etc, etc while you were trying to talk to somo one. Th=
at=20
> > >>>>>>> lasted about one model and the next year it was gone.=20
> > >>>>>>>=20
> > >>>>>>>=20
> > >>>>>>> So again though. How did you get the network to the barn? Cable=
,?=20
> > >>>>>>> Ubiquity outdoor access point? Semaphore? Dixi cups and string?=
=20
> > >>>>>> Sorry Jim my bad!! Got distracted......................=20
> > >>>>>>=20
> > >>>>>> Originally I ran cable from the house to a tobacco barn to a Dat=
a=20
> > >>>>>> Switch=20
> > >>>>>> and then up a hill in conduit to a pole that I mounted a EnGeniu=
s=20
> > >>>>>> wireless bridge that sent the signal to another one on the barn =
that is=20
> > >>>>>> about 120' away. From that unit cabled 200' through the attic=20
> > >>>>>> of the barn to another switch and a EnGenius WiFi Point. That wo=
rked=20
> > >>>>>> fine until there was a lighting bolt and some parts went elsewhe=
re.=20
> > >>>>>> Replaced the EnGenius with Ubiquity antennas. Again all seems to=
 work=20
> > >>>>>> fine.=20
> > >>>>>>=20
> > >>>>>> Now they want to start streaming video from the barn. The speeds=
=20
> > >>>>>> can't handle it and it was decided to hardwire all the way to th=
e=20
> > >>>>>> barn with Data Switches to boost the signal. Will be placing=20
> > >>>>>> Ubiquity Wireless Points. 1 ea. U6-LR and 3 ea. U6-Lite units=20
> > >>>>>> placed in the barn and stable areas to get coverage.=20
> > >>>>>>=20
> > >>>>>> There will be a Unifi Cloudkey installed to control all the poin=
ts.=20
> > >>>>>>=20
> > >>>>>> Cabling will be a pain!! But doable. All T&M.=20
> > >>>>>>=20
> > >>>>>> Hope all that makes sense.=20
> > >>>>>=20
> > >>>>>=20
> > >>>>> WOW!=20
> > >>>>> And all that just so the cows can watch Opra! and Dr. Pol.=20
> > >>>>> Amazing.=20
> > >>>>> Well, I guess there's something better about the milk from a=20
> > >>>>> satisfied cow.=20
> > >>>>>=20
> > >>>> Oh, I guess I forgot to mention that this is a=20
> > >>>> Horse Riding/Training Barn. No Cows on the property.=20
> > >>>>=20
> > >>>> Les=20
> > >>>>=20
> > >>>>=20
> > >>>>=20
> > >>>>=20
> > >>> now come on Les, there's cows there, there just "on" the horses...=
=20
> > >>> ;-)=20
> > >>>=20
> > >>> RTS=20
> > >>>=20
> > >> That's Funny!! But, comparing a cow to the good looking riders is=20
> > >> bit off key. I would have chosen another 4 footed animal to compare!=
 :-)=20
> > >>=20
> > >> Actually there are Cows on the Amish Farm that is on the other side=
=20
> > >> of the road. Along with Horse Teams for pulling Plows and Buggies.=
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> > >> Ain't no technology as we know it, happening there!!=20
> > >>=20
> > >> Les=20
> > > Hey Les=20
> > >=20
> > > Maybe you could talk the Amish into buying some plastic cups and roll=
s of string for local communication and some megaphones for long distance.=
=20
> > >=20
> > > So have you ever heard this one?=20
> > > What is this=20
> > > clip-- - - - clop, clip - - - clop, clip - - - --clop, clip-clop, cli=
p-clop, , BANG, BANG, BANG, clippity-clop, clipity-clop, clippity-clop, cli=
pity-clop=20
> > >=20
> > > It's an Amish drive by shooting.=20
> > >=20
> > Yes, that is a very oldie!!=20
> >=20
> > I had a job to install a Fire Alarm in a renovated building that=20
> > was going to have 8 apartments. The building owner/contractor=20
> > was Amish. The deal was 50% to start, 30% on delivery of equipment=20
> > and 20% on completion. Did the pre-wire and when the place was=20
> > ready to start the install I got the equipment and delivered to=20
> > location and received a check for $2600. Two days later I found=20
> > out that the check had bounced. I was on my way to another job.=20
> > I turned around and when to the apartment site. The place was=20
> > locked up, no one on site. I got the outside key and went inside=20
> > and removed all the parts and placed in my van. Then I called=20
> > the Amish guy on his cell phone. I told him his check bounced=20
> > and if he wanted the job completed it would have to be cash or=20
> > a cashiers check before I would continue. He said, "Well you=20
> > don't know how to work with the Amish!!" I never told him that=20
> > I had removed the equipment and I never went back. I informed=20
> > the local inspector I was off the job. I used the equipment=20
> > on other jobs there after.=20
> >=20
> > Les
> Sounds to me as if you know how to work with the Amish very well indeed !=
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>=20
> I think there is this mythical notion that because the Amish lead a very =
austere life style reminiscent of a more innocent and - - - a person is as =
good as his hand shake - - times, that they are not up to date in the wheel=
ing and dealings of todays business.=20
> If you want to delve into it, do some research on who was associated with=
 enforcement for Howard Hughes during his Las Vegas days.

They were Mormons, he used them because they didn't drink if I recall