Re: want to see Bass trying to get out of an argument that he cant win?

[mleuck <m.leuck@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Sep 24, 11:34=A0am, Jim Rojas <jro...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> mleuck wrote:
> > On Sep 24, 9:37 am, Jim Rojas <jro...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> mleuck wrote:
> >>> On Sep 24, 2:22 am, Jim Rojas <jro...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>> mleuck wrote:
> >>>>> On Sep 23, 8:30 pm, Jim Rojas <jro...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>>> mleuck wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Sep 23, 7:58 pm, Jim Rojas <jro...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Robert L Bass wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> "Jim Rojas" wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Most coastal states like California, Texas, Florida, etc., whi=
ch
> >>>>>>>>>> border water supplies, can make endless amounts of Algae based
> >>>>>>>>>> ethanol. Imagine that...low cost fuel without hurting the envi=
ronment,
> >>>>>>>>>> I'm sure there is a law against that as well...
> >>>>>>>>> Wow! =A0All I need to do is stop paying the pool guy and I'll h=
ave an
> >>>>>>>>> endless supply in a matter of weeks.
> >>>>>>>> Hardly. It takes alot of Algae just to make a single gallon of e=
thanol.
> >>>>>>>> Jim Rojas
> >>>>>>> Exactly! and the process to make that gallon will use way more en=
ergy
> >>>>>>> than that gallon of ethanol can produce
> >>>>>> Florida is loaded with lakes infested with Algae. Large enough loc=
al
> >>>>>> supply to get started. All that is needed to extract the ethanol i=
s a
> >>>>>> press.
> >>>>>> Oil on the other hand has to be processed and separated in into it=
s
> >>>>>> usable forms. Diesel, gasoline, propane, etc. All heavy polluters,=
 but
> >>>>>> let's forget that minor issue.
> >>>>>> We already have the technology available that can convert any carb=
on
> >>>>>> based waste item into oil. There is a plant in PA doing that as we
> >>>>>> speak. The only problem with the plant is that it does not solve o=
ur
> >>>>>> pollution problem. Sure it can replace oil because it uses the sam=
e
> >>>>>> technology we use to create a Cubic Zaconia...HEAT & PRESSURE.
> >>>>>> The earth has had a 3+ billion year head start on us producing oil=
 from
> >>>>>> plant and animal matter. It took us less than 100 years to consume=
 over
> >>>>>> half of it. How much time do you say we have left? Why wait until =
it
> >>>>>> causes a global depression we cannot get out of?
> >>>>>> Jim Rojas
> >>>>> If it were all that easy we'd be doing it, this isn't a conspiracy
> >>>>> with oil companies. Fact is the process is expensive and nobody wil=
l
> >>>>> pay for it including you
> >>>> Actually, I do pay for it. I stopped buying gasoline 3 years ago. My
> >>>> 2004 Ford Explorer Flexfuel runs just fine on E100 biomass ethanol.
> >>>> This ethanol was first produced locally for the gasoline industry as=
 an
> >>>> additive. Then the local counties started using it for their fleets.
> >>>> Then bus companies. Eventually it trickled down to contractors.
> >>>> Consumers will usually pay the same rate as 87 octane fuel. Since it
> >>>> only costs about 75 cents a gallon to produce in these smaller amoun=
ts,
> >>>> it makes me wonder why big oil don't jump on this cheap alternative =
as a
> >>>> mainstream cash cow.
> >>>> Jim Rojas
> >>> Customers pay the same rate as 87 octane fuel because of large
> >>> government subsidies, get rid of that and it all falls apart because
> >>> there is no money in producing it and even if it was profitable it's
> >>> impossible to grow enough product to be self sufficient, you'd have t=
o
> >>> import massive amounts kinda like what we now do with oil.
> >> Nope. The facility that makes the ethanol is privately owned and
> >> operated, and get zero subsidies. They do have an agreement with the
> >> county that allows them free access to all the biomass they can haul
> >> away at no charge. That could be considered a subsidy, depending on yo=
ur
> >> point of view. Local landscaping businesses that deal in huge amounts =
of
> >> yard waste get to dump it at the facility for free, where the county
> >> charges by the pound.
>
> >> The facility is located in an old run down industrial area. Many
> >> businesses closed their doors many years ago, or abandoned the area
> >> altogether. They might be getting a huge break in rent from the county
> >> owned land.
>
> >> Jim Rojas
>
> > That one may not be subsidized but the majority of the Ethanol
> > industry is
>
> > Find out how much Ethanol that plant can produce, how much energy to
> > produce it and then look at the overall population of the Tampa area,
> > even with hundreds of plants like that there is no hope of getting
> > enough product to power cars much less anything else
>
> =A0From what I have briefly seen, they use some of the biomass mash to
> fuel the boilers. They have 4 12K+ gallon tanker trucks on site for
> deliveries. There is one aboveground tank with 4 pumps for local sales.
> There is always someone there filling up several 55 gallon barrels at
> any given time. The facility is open 24/7. My 2 55 gallon drums last me
> 3 months, depending on my family's needs. I added a fuel injection
> module that converted my daughter's & son's cars to allow the usage of
> ethanol (2002 Chrysler Sebring & 2000 Honda Accord). The vehicle must be
> fuel injected in order for it to work. The conversion module cost $160
> each, and allows the usage of both gas and ethanol without any further
> modifications. You just to make sure your vehicle fuel lines can handle
> the additional corrosive ethanol fuel. Most cars made after 1996 have no
> issue with ethanol. I had to replace all the fuel lines in my boat to
> allow the use of the fuel, plus an after market fuel injection kit for
> boats.
>
> Jim Rojas

That's all fine and lovely but upscale it to 100+ million vehicles and
you quickly see why gasoline rules, there isn't the available land to
produce all that we need

And you have a Chrysler Sebring????