Re: want to see Bass trying to get out of an argument that he cant win?

[Jim Rojas <jrojas@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

mleuck wrote:
> On Sep 24, 11:34 am, Jim Rojas <jro...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> mleuck wrote:
>>> On Sep 24, 9:37 am, Jim Rojas <jro...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> mleuck wrote:
>>>>> On Sep 24, 2:22 am, Jim Rojas <jro...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>> mleuck wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sep 23, 8:30 pm, Jim Rojas <jro...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>> mleuck wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 23, 7:58 pm, Jim Rojas <jro...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Robert L Bass wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "Jim Rojas" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Most coastal states like California, Texas, Florida, etc., which
>>>>>>>>>>>> border water supplies, can make endless amounts of Algae based
>>>>>>>>>>>> ethanol. Imagine that...low cost fuel without hurting the environment,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure there is a law against that as well...
>>>>>>>>>>> Wow!  All I need to do is stop paying the pool guy and I'll have an
>>>>>>>>>>> endless supply in a matter of weeks.
>>>>>>>>>> Hardly. It takes alot of Algae just to make a single gallon of ethanol.
>>>>>>>>>> Jim Rojas
>>>>>>>>> Exactly! and the process to make that gallon will use way more energy
>>>>>>>>> than that gallon of ethanol can produce
>>>>>>>> Florida is loaded with lakes infested with Algae. Large enough local
>>>>>>>> supply to get started. All that is needed to extract the ethanol is a
>>>>>>>> press.
>>>>>>>> Oil on the other hand has to be processed and separated in into its
>>>>>>>> usable forms. Diesel, gasoline, propane, etc. All heavy polluters, but
>>>>>>>> let's forget that minor issue.
>>>>>>>> We already have the technology available that can convert any carbon
>>>>>>>> based waste item into oil. There is a plant in PA doing that as we
>>>>>>>> speak. The only problem with the plant is that it does not solve our
>>>>>>>> pollution problem. Sure it can replace oil because it uses the same
>>>>>>>> technology we use to create a Cubic Zaconia...HEAT & PRESSURE.
>>>>>>>> The earth has had a 3+ billion year head start on us producing oil from
>>>>>>>> plant and animal matter. It took us less than 100 years to consume over
>>>>>>>> half of it. How much time do you say we have left? Why wait until it
>>>>>>>> causes a global depression we cannot get out of?
>>>>>>>> Jim Rojas
>>>>>>> If it were all that easy we'd be doing it, this isn't a conspiracy
>>>>>>> with oil companies. Fact is the process is expensive and nobody will
>>>>>>> pay for it including you
>>>>>> Actually, I do pay for it. I stopped buying gasoline 3 years ago. My
>>>>>> 2004 Ford Explorer Flexfuel runs just fine on E100 biomass ethanol.
>>>>>> This ethanol was first produced locally for the gasoline industry as an
>>>>>> additive. Then the local counties started using it for their fleets.
>>>>>> Then bus companies. Eventually it trickled down to contractors.
>>>>>> Consumers will usually pay the same rate as 87 octane fuel. Since it
>>>>>> only costs about 75 cents a gallon to produce in these smaller amounts,
>>>>>> it makes me wonder why big oil don't jump on this cheap alternative as a
>>>>>> mainstream cash cow.
>>>>>> Jim Rojas
>>>>> Customers pay the same rate as 87 octane fuel because of large
>>>>> government subsidies, get rid of that and it all falls apart because
>>>>> there is no money in producing it and even if it was profitable it's
>>>>> impossible to grow enough product to be self sufficient, you'd have to
>>>>> import massive amounts kinda like what we now do with oil.
>>>> Nope. The facility that makes the ethanol is privately owned and
>>>> operated, and get zero subsidies. They do have an agreement with the
>>>> county that allows them free access to all the biomass they can haul
>>>> away at no charge. That could be considered a subsidy, depending on your
>>>> point of view. Local landscaping businesses that deal in huge amounts of
>>>> yard waste get to dump it at the facility for free, where the county
>>>> charges by the pound.
>>>> The facility is located in an old run down industrial area. Many
>>>> businesses closed their doors many years ago, or abandoned the area
>>>> altogether. They might be getting a huge break in rent from the county
>>>> owned land.
>>>> Jim Rojas
>>> That one may not be subsidized but the majority of the Ethanol
>>> industry is
>>> Find out how much Ethanol that plant can produce, how much energy to
>>> produce it and then look at the overall population of the Tampa area,
>>> even with hundreds of plants like that there is no hope of getting
>>> enough product to power cars much less anything else
>>  From what I have briefly seen, they use some of the biomass mash to
>> fuel the boilers. They have 4 12K+ gallon tanker trucks on site for
>> deliveries. There is one aboveground tank with 4 pumps for local sales.
>> There is always someone there filling up several 55 gallon barrels at
>> any given time. The facility is open 24/7. My 2 55 gallon drums last me
>> 3 months, depending on my family's needs. I added a fuel injection
>> module that converted my daughter's & son's cars to allow the usage of
>> ethanol (2002 Chrysler Sebring & 2000 Honda Accord). The vehicle must be
>> fuel injected in order for it to work. The conversion module cost $160
>> each, and allows the usage of both gas and ethanol without any further
>> modifications. You just to make sure your vehicle fuel lines can handle
>> the additional corrosive ethanol fuel. Most cars made after 1996 have no
>> issue with ethanol. I had to replace all the fuel lines in my boat to
>> allow the use of the fuel, plus an after market fuel injection kit for
>> boats.
>>
>> Jim Rojas
>
> That's all fine and lovely but upscale it to 100+ million vehicles and
> you quickly see why gasoline rules, there isn't the available land to
> produce all that we need
>
> And you have a Chrysler Sebring????

Its my daughters Sebring...and yes, it is falling apart a piece at a
time. She believes in driving things until it needs to be pushed, or
until the head gasket or tranny goes. No sense trading in a car that
still runs. She enjoys having no car payments, and her insurance
premiums are low because of it. Once you jump into a new model, your
insurance rates get adjusted accordingly.

My son bought his Honda from a police auction. $800 cash because the AC
was DOA, and the tranny was slipping. We had our mechanic replace the AC
  with junkyard parts...$850 later, the AC works perfectly. He drained
the tranny, replaced the filter, and added 2 pints of Lucas treatment to
the tranny fluid. Not bad for a fully loaded Accord with the best
feature of all...a clear title.

Most Americans like to keep up with the Jones'...a new car, a new house,
high insurance rates, private schools, country clubs, $1 per minute
crackberry phone plans...but then there are people out there that love
to sit back and watch the fools and their money that soon get parted...

Jim Rojas