Re: want to see Bass trying to get out of an argument that he cant win?

[mleuck <m.leuck@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Sep 24, 9:37=A0am, Jim Rojas <jro...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> mleuck wrote:
> > On Sep 24, 2:22 am, Jim Rojas <jro...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> mleuck wrote:
> >>> On Sep 23, 8:30 pm, Jim Rojas <jro...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>> mleuck wrote:
> >>>>> On Sep 23, 7:58 pm, Jim Rojas <jro...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>>> Robert L Bass wrote:
> >>>>>>> "Jim Rojas" wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Most coastal states like California, Texas, Florida, etc., which
> >>>>>>>> border water supplies, can make endless amounts of Algae based
> >>>>>>>> ethanol. Imagine that...low cost fuel without hurting the enviro=
nment,
> >>>>>>>> I'm sure there is a law against that as well...
> >>>>>>> Wow! =A0All I need to do is stop paying the pool guy and I'll hav=
e an
> >>>>>>> endless supply in a matter of weeks.
> >>>>>> Hardly. It takes alot of Algae just to make a single gallon of eth=
anol.
> >>>>>> Jim Rojas
> >>>>> Exactly! and the process to make that gallon will use way more ener=
gy
> >>>>> than that gallon of ethanol can produce
> >>>> Florida is loaded with lakes infested with Algae. Large enough local
> >>>> supply to get started. All that is needed to extract the ethanol is =
a
> >>>> press.
> >>>> Oil on the other hand has to be processed and separated in into its
> >>>> usable forms. Diesel, gasoline, propane, etc. All heavy polluters, b=
ut
> >>>> let's forget that minor issue.
> >>>> We already have the technology available that can convert any carbon
> >>>> based waste item into oil. There is a plant in PA doing that as we
> >>>> speak. The only problem with the plant is that it does not solve our
> >>>> pollution problem. Sure it can replace oil because it uses the same
> >>>> technology we use to create a Cubic Zaconia...HEAT & PRESSURE.
> >>>> The earth has had a 3+ billion year head start on us producing oil f=
rom
> >>>> plant and animal matter. It took us less than 100 years to consume o=
ver
> >>>> half of it. How much time do you say we have left? Why wait until it
> >>>> causes a global depression we cannot get out of?
> >>>> Jim Rojas
> >>> If it were all that easy we'd be doing it, this isn't a conspiracy
> >>> with oil companies. Fact is the process is expensive and nobody will
> >>> pay for it including you
> >> Actually, I do pay for it. I stopped buying gasoline 3 years ago. My
> >> 2004 Ford Explorer Flexfuel runs just fine on E100 biomass ethanol.
>
> >> This ethanol was first produced locally for the gasoline industry as a=
n
> >> additive. Then the local counties started using it for their fleets.
> >> Then bus companies. Eventually it trickled down to contractors.
>
> >> Consumers will usually pay the same rate as 87 octane fuel. Since it
> >> only costs about 75 cents a gallon to produce in these smaller amounts=
,
> >> it makes me wonder why big oil don't jump on this cheap alternative as=
 a
> >> mainstream cash cow.
>
> >> Jim Rojas
>
> > Customers pay the same rate as 87 octane fuel because of large
> > government subsidies, get rid of that and it all falls apart because
> > there is no money in producing it and even if it was profitable it's
> > impossible to grow enough product to be self sufficient, you'd have to
> > import massive amounts kinda like what we now do with oil.
>
> Nope. The facility that makes the ethanol is privately owned and
> operated, and get zero subsidies. They do have an agreement with the
> county that allows them free access to all the biomass they can haul
> away at no charge. That could be considered a subsidy, depending on your
> point of view. Local landscaping businesses that deal in huge amounts of
> yard waste get to dump it at the facility for free, where the county
> charges by the pound.
>
> The facility is located in an old run down industrial area. Many
> businesses closed their doors many years ago, or abandoned the area
> altogether. They might be getting a huge break in rent from the county
> owned land.
>
> Jim Rojas

That one may not be subsidized but the majority of the Ethanol
industry is

Find out how much Ethanol that plant can produce, how much energy to
produce it and then look at the overall population of the Tampa area,
even with hundreds of plants like that there is no hope of getting
enough product to power cars much less anything else