Re: want to see Bass trying to get out of an argument that he cant win?

[Jim Rojas <jrojas@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

mleuck wrote:
> On Sep 23, 11:22 am, Jim Rojas <jro...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Healthcare is a joke in this country. Those without it are much better
>> off. Free clinics are in no short supply, and probably provide better
>> care. Those with some sort of healthcare can expect to get dropped,
>> denied coverage. or go bankrupt if major claim is made. That's just
>> business as usual.
>
> Worked just fine for me earlier this year
>
>> Cash For Clunkers is just another example of recent government waste.
>> Sure it is a bandaid to help the economy along, But instead of mandating
>> that SUV's, trucks, etc., that get under 15 MPG be banned from
>> production, someone found more loppholes to exploit. This is why this
>> country is on a one way track to total destruction. I would like to see
>> a ban on gasoline only vehicles. Flexfuel and Hybrids make more sense.
>> At least oil companies can easily go from refining oil to producing
>> ethanol, no matter what special interest group says otherwise. I haven't
>> bought a drop of gasoline in 3 years. There is an ethanol plant here in
>> Tampa that produces biomass E100 ethanol. There is no need to add 15
>> percent gasoline to it, because biomass ethanol is not drinkable. I can
>> buy 2 55 gallon drums for roughly $1.08 a gallon. This is the same
>> product that is added to standard gasoline at the pumps...10 percent
>> ethanol by volume.
>>
>> Jim Rojas
>
> Cash for Clunkers is a prime example of why government should not
> jack, they initially allotted a billion with the expectation that it
> would last for several months when it didn't last a week. They had to
> scramble for 2 billion more to close it out. If they can't even run
> that....
>
> And as far as alcohol there isn't enough farmland to create enough
> product to power all our cars, as it is now increased alcohol
> production takes away food crop which drives food prices higher.
>

Ethanol can be extracted from cattle feed, without affecting that supply
at all. It can also be made from biomass (yard waste which currently
gets buried or burned away in most landfills. Most people don't even
know that common table sugar comes from sugarbeets, not sugar cane.
Sugar cane is a tropical plant. Sugarbeets can be grown just about
anywhere. Even in those colder potato & corn growing states.

Ethanol is a clear, colorless alcohol fuel made from the sugars found in
grains, such as corn, sorghum, and wheat, as well as potato skins, rice,
and yard clippings. Ethanol is a renewable fuel because it is made from
plants. There are several ways to make ethanol from biomass. The most
commonly used processes today use yeast to ferment the sugars and starch
in corn. Corn is the main ingredient for ethanol in the United States
due to its abundance and low price. Most ethanol is produced in the
corn-growing states in the Midwest. The leftover mash is then dried and
turned into cattle feed. Only the liquid ethanol is extracted.

The starch in the corn is fermented into sugar, which is then fermented
into alcohol. Other crops such as, barley, wheat, rice, sorghum,
oranges, apples, grapefruits, pears, sunflowers, potatoes, sugar cane
and sugar beets can also be used to produce ethanol. Switchgrass which
blankets most of our country sides can also be used to make ethanol.
Yard waste alone could easily provide 20 percent biomass for ethanol
production.

Sugar cane and sugar beets are the most common ingredients for ethanol
in other parts of the world. Since alcohol is created by fermenting
sugar, sugar crops are the easiest ingredients to convert into alcohol.
Brazil, the country with the world's largest ethanol production, makes
most of its ethanol this way. Today, many cars in Brazil operate on
ethanol made from sugar cane.

A new experimental process which breaks down cellulose in woody fibers,
is called "cellulosic ethanol". With this process we can make ethanol
from trees, grasses, and crop wastes. Trees and grasses need less energy
than grains, which must be replanted every year.

Using ethanol means that we use a alot less gasoline (a nonrenewable
fuel). Unlike gasoline, ethanol is nontoxic (safe to handle) and
biodegradable, it quickly breaks down into harmless substances if
spilled. When small amounts of ethanol are added to gasoline, usually
less than 10 percent, there are many advantages. Ethanol reduces carbon
monoxide and other toxic pollution from the tailpipes of vehicles,
making the air cleaner. It keeps engines running smoothly without the
need for lead or other chemical additives.

We need to stop listening to the special interest groups. There is
plenty of renewable energy sources, if we bothered to look elsewhere
than foreign oil fields. We spend billions on explorastion and
extracting it from the ground, why not spend just as much growing it,
and keeping the cash in American pockets? We complain that we outsource
everything these days. Now its time to change that as well.

Iraq & Afghanistan don't buy their everyday need items on eBay...they
buy weapons from anyone who will sell it to them. Yes, this includes the
very same special interest groups in Washington that want to keep things
just the way they are. The more foreign oil we buy, the more money they
will have to buy these weapons.


Jim Rojas