Re: Brinks vs. Tech-man.com

["Doug" <not@xxxxxxxx>]

Stop lying, I've never tried to stop you

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"news.comcast.net" <acoutinhobass@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "Bob Worthy" <securinc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> "Robert L Bass" <robertbass1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>> >> he goes there to make him look good and
>>> >> the rest of the industry look bad...
>>>
>>  You, Worthy, are no better with all your
>>> so-called "giggles and kicks."
>>
>> It is "kicks and giggles" by the way. That alone states that none of it
>> is
>> serious, but I guess that would probably be left to the reader to decide.
>>
>>>All that does is drive away serious professionals.
>>
>> I seriously doubt that my comments drive away serious professionals. They
>> may not post for different reasons, but the ones that monitor this group
>> are
>> here for what they are looking for and I am sure they will delete what
>> they
>> are not interested in, which I will agree may be alot of what goes on
>> here.
>> But believe they are here. HELLO EVERYONE!! :o]
>>
>>>I've been told by more than one manufacturer's
>>> rep that they don't post here
>>
>> Robert, who you trying to kid? Most factory reps don't even know about
>> this
>> group. So does your "more than one" mean two?
>
> You're a relative newcomer to ASA.  I've been contributing to this
> newsgroup for around 8 or 9 years.  Since I sell more than 150 product
> lines in my online store I've gotten to know many manufacturers' reps and
> tech support staff as well as reps from virtually every major distributor
> in the industry.  Quite a few of them have lurked here for a while, but
> decided not to post due to all of the attacks.  One or two have
> occasionally posted tech helps but after a while they left as well.
>
> You'd be surprised how many people in the trade read this newsgroup.  It's
> far better known than you might think.  The same applies to a lesser
> extent to the home automation newsgroup.  Those who've been around longer
> will remember that Rick Helmke of HomeSeer and some of his employees used
> to contribute there.  Ask him why he no longer participates.  He'll tell
> you in no uncertain terms and it has nothing to do with me posting.  He
> was driven out, like most true industry professionals, by the antics of
> the same group of people who post trash here.  One of Napco's tech support
> used to participate here as well; not anymore.  It's true whether you
> choose to believe it or not and it's your fault, along with the other
> characters like Olson, Mugford, Jiminex, Leuck and Doug.
>
>>>specifically because of all the racism, vulgar >language and vitriol.
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>> Hopefully, that is not directed at me. Racism, absolutely never. Vulgar,
>> not
>> in the sense you would like people to believe, minor word at best.
>> Vitriol,
>> a word that its meaning can cover a wide range but mostly as meant as
>> venomous. If you have taken any of my posts as venomous, which is
>> something
>> that is usually thought of as acting first, as in an attack, rather than
>> in
>> a response, than I think you may be confusing me with someone else.
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> No, I'm not confusing you with anyone else.  You act like a schoolyard
> bully, thinking what you do here is hidden away in an obscure "chat room",
> but it's not.  Everything you say is viewed by tens of thousands of
> people. It's not just see by folks searching Usenet either.  Google
> returns rlated newsgroyup threads as well as web pages even when people
> are onl searching the www.  Additionally, there are several websites that
> autmatically archive this newsgroup, creating searchable html pages of
> every post.  Search engine spiders crawl those sites.
>
>> Most all of my posts are in response to someone else.
>
> It makes no difference whether you start a thread just add fuel to the
> fire. When you post rude or denegrating comments about another dealer
> online, you contribute to the poor image the industry has in the public
> eye.
>
>> If they appeared as "attacks" and were unwarranted,
>> I didn't see anything discrediting the response...
>
> I don't need to respond to your rude posts for them to appear rude.  It's
> what you say, not how I reply that marks the kind of person you are.
> You're well-known in the trade and when you post garbage it makes you
> *and* the trade look bad.  You can call it "giggles" all you want.  You
> still come across to outsiders as a buit of a jerk.
>
> Another example, far worse than you, of industry misbehavior is Mugford.
> Here you have a guy who not only weorks in the industry but even sits on
> the state ECLB.  So what does he contribute to the industry-related forum?
> Tech support?  Nope.  Information about developments in the trade?  Nope.
> He posts vulgar, personal attacks on another tradesman.  When he tried
> (and you can deny this all you want but we both know it's true) to get me
> in trouble with a false complaint to the licensing authority, all I had to
> do to get it summarily dismissed was show the agent the onlne record of
> Mugford's posts to this newsgroup and his "contributions" to Sabodish's
> hate website.  The state agent was aghast!  He saw right through what
> Mugford was doing. Imagine what it looks like to a prospective client from
> your area who happens to discover this newsgroup.  You and a few other
> nasty-mouthed perps fill the newsgroup with personal attacks, right-wing,
> racxist trash and the like.  Do you think you'd stand a chance of being
> hired by that customer?
>
>> There is mostly good communications on industry related issues and you
>> would
>> have to admitt that.
>
> No, there isn't.  The majority of posts here are either OT, offensive or
> both and you are partly responsible for that.  You're nowhere near as bad
> as Olson, Jiminex and Cracker but you're still responsible for bringing
> the newsgroup a notch lower.
>
>> Every once and a while someone will come here with
>> nonsense, like Sonic Duck for instance, and they get
>> spanked. Or someone will come here asking for
>> information that really should not be given out over the
>> internet regardless of ones viewpoints about how the
>> industry operates. They get shutdown rather quickly...
>
> Wrong.  Frequently, people who come here asking legitimate questions get
> attacked.  The worst in that regard is Cracker, but when you or anyone
> else responds to a newbie with rudeness, you mark yourself as a jerk.  A
> few of these guys seem to think that if several of them post the same
> trash in response to my every comment, they will look good and I bad.
> They're wrong, of course.  They just look like a bunch of inerudite
> bullies and because they claim to be "professionals" they make the
> profession look like a bunch of fools.
>
>> Freedom of Speech is wonderful thing and should
>> never be depressed...
>
> I think you meant suppressed.  :^)
>
> We're not talking about freedom of speech.  You are free to post whatever
> you want.  I'm only suggesting that while you exercise your freedom you
> also exercise self-restraint.  Do what you like.  It's your choice but
> make no mistake about it.  There are consequences.  You may not see it or
> even be aware of it (clearly the simple-minded here don't), but when you
> post nasty comments about other tradesmen and when you respond rudely to
> visitors, you hurt the industry.  This is an industry which you *claim* to
> care about. We'll see whether that's true by how you comport yourself.
>
>> The unfortunate part is that you have lost the respect
>> of some of the regulars over the years....
>
> Nonsense!  Other than a few relative newcomers, most of the worst
> offenders were here when I first came to this newsgroup.  They tried to
> keep me from posting under the mistaken impression that they could
> actually regulate an ALT newsgroup.  There was a ridiculous effort to
> create a FAQ which was supposed to govern to govern who could say what.
> This was in the early days and most folks here had no idea how Usenet
> works, other than to set up Outlook Express or Agent to read and post.
> When they realized there as nothing they could do to prevent me from
> advising DIY end users how to install their own alarms (they even tried to
> *prohibit* me mentioning my own URL in my posts) they resorted to posting
> all kinds of personal attacks. This has gone on unabated for years.
>
> If you want an example of a freedom of speech battle, this was it.  I
> exercised my right to post advice to DIYers.  Jiminex, Doug and a few
> others tried to stop me.  They didn't understand the relationship between
> ISP's and newsgroups, in particular ALT newsgroups so of course they
> failed.  What they've done instead (and you have contributerd to this) is
> fill the newsgroup with scorees of daily attack posts.
>
>> Jim's written opinions and comments are between you and him...
>
> Nope.  That would be true if he were sending me email.  By posting his
> verbal diahrrea in the alarm industry newsgroup, he denegrates the entire
> trade.  However, there's no point in telling him that.  He's way beyond
> the ability to comprehend his own sickness.
>
>> What does that have to do with your direct post to me
>> or at least calling me out, about what I write?
>
> This is not just about you.   There are no private conversations in
> Usenet. Whatever he posts affects the industry image.  The same applies to
> you.  I don't bother trying to have a reasoned conversation with Jiminex.
> He's not capable of it.  But you are.  I addressed you because I think
> you're adult enough to see what you're doing is wrong if you stop trying
> to defend yourself and think about it for a while.  I hope I'm right about
> that.
>
> For clarity, I'm not accusing you of racism.  This discussion is about the
> public misbehavbior of a group of people who have ruined this newsgroup.
> Your part of this has been less severe than most but you contribute to the
> overall negative impression of the industry with personal snipes.  You can
> continue trying to explain away what you're doing or you can carefully
> consider it ans perhaps change for the better.  It's up to you.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Robert L Bass
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