Re: Brinks vs. Tech-man.com

["Bob Worthy" <securinc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

"Robert L Bass" <robertbass1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> >> he goes there to make him look good and
> >> the rest of the industry look bad...
>
  You, Worthy, are no better with all your
> so-called "giggles and kicks."

It is "kicks and giggles" by the way. That alone states that none of it is
serious, but I guess that would probably be left to the reader to decide.

>All that does is drive away serious professionals.

I seriously doubt that my comments drive away serious professionals. They
may not post for different reasons, but the ones that monitor this group are
here for what they are looking for and I am sure they will delete what they
are not interested in, which I will agree may be alot of what goes on here.
But believe they are here. HELLO EVERYONE!! :o]

>I've been told by more than one manufacturer's
> rep that they don't post here

Robert, who you trying to kid? Most factory reps don't even know about this
group. So does your "more than one" mean two?

>specifically because of all the racism, vulgar >language and vitriol.

Hopefully, that is not directed at me. Racism, absolutely never. Vulgar, not
in the sense you would like people to believe, minor word at best. Vitriol,
a word that its meaning can cover a wide range but mostly as meant as
venomous. If you have taken any of my posts as venomous, which is something
that is usually thought of as acting first, as in an attack, rather than in
a response, than I think you may be confusing me with someone else. Most all
of my posts are in response to someone else. If they appeared as "attacks"
and were unwarranted, I didn't see anything discrediting the response. If I
mistakenly said something that was untrue, and someone shows me where I was
wrong, I will be the first to apologize publically.

> If any of you guys actually cared one whit about how you make the industry
look to people who could add more signal to the noise
> here, let alone to outsiders, you'd change the way you act.

There is mostly good communications on industry related issues and you would
have to admitt that. Every once and a while someone will come here with
nonsense, like Sonic Duck for instance, and they get spanked. Or someone
will come here asking for information that really should not be given out
over the internet regardless of ones viewpoints about how the industry
operates. They get shutdown rather quickly, as they should, by the
participants that are truely security minded. Then there are non industry
related topics that everyone has their own opinions. Freedom of Speech is
wonderful thing and should never be depressed. People use this right to
voice their opinions and yes it may not be the same as everyone elses. With
most, it is understood that we all agreeably agree to sometimes disagree.
This done with respect of others in most cases. The unfortunate part is that
you have lost the respect of some of the regulars over the years. So, when
you post things that have some sort of weakness, they and I will include
myself, are quick to point out those weaknesses to set the record straight.
IMO, your main weakness is that you don't disprove their comments, gaining
back your credibility. When you are obviously right, in one of your posts, I
don't see anyone trying to lay you out. No one. You alone have control over
this issue and you simply don't recognize it. Let me enlighten you
grasshopper. When that camp fire is just about out, don't throw another log
on it, even if there is a hint of a glow. The fire will eventually go out
and the ashes will blow away in the wind leaving near a trace. Think about
it.

> The problem is many of the regulars here don't
> really care at all.

I don't think that is true. On topic discussion is regularly contributed to
about all aspects of the business.

> Others have somehow confused this very public >forum with a smoke-filled
room at their state chapter's monthly meeting.

When was the last time, at least here in the States, have you seen a smoke
filled room of any type. Sorta shows your lack of involvement in the
industry but does show you are capable of posting vitriol on the very
industry you invade to make a living.

>It's not a
> private chat room.  Everything you say is permanently recorded, making
*you* look like fools.

As if someone really cares about what is said on an internet forum. I don't
think anyone here has been accused of stealing a freight train.

> Of course, if you really don't care how badly you portray the alarm trade,

You and some of the DIY market participants are really the only ones that
have portrayed the "industry" in bad light. I don't recall any of the
regulars, or even the newbies looking for advice "from the professionals",
degrading the industry.

 I can take everything you dish
> out and hand it right back

That is were you miss the point. They are dishing it out, but most of the
time in "response to your posts", and then you hand it back. See how the
trend goes. You do have control.

You'd be surprised how many times customers tell me that they're calling
> *because* the idiots in the newsgroup try to harass me.  Most people see
right through the garbage you guys post.

And might these be the same clients that don't like "the professional"
anyways, since they are the DYI market? The same ones that think they can do
it better than the professional? They don't like the car mechanic, the
plumber, the painter, the roofer, etc. because they (not all) have this mind
set that everyone is out to rip them off. (A little off topic but a point to
be made) I had a friend (lost touch with him) that was dead set on
delivering his baby. For months, that is all he talked about. Did all his
home study, had the procedure down in his mind and on and on. Right up to
the last day he was making preparations. No matter what advice (mostly
common sense) others tried to give him, he would not change his mind. Even
the possibilities of complications, for both the mother and the new born, he
ignored. Why his pregnant girlfriend (at the time) went along with this I
will never know. He obviously convinced her everything would be fine. Long
story short, after months of preparation, the night she started to deliver
he chickened out at the eleventh hour. She delivered with no problem at a
nearby hospital. He admitted over and over how it could have been the
biggest mistake of his life for his family and loved ones. Can a comparison
be made here? I think so.
>
> Consider this, Worthy.  Suppose your customers saw you routinely posting
attacks on another tradesman.

What attacks have I made on another "tradesman"? I don't, as you would like
others to believe, "attack" anyone, tradesman or otherwise. I comment, point
out, correct if something is misstated, convienently left out, edited, etc.
but attack.......Ummm, I feel comfortable that I can let the other readers
decide.

  Do you think it would
> inspire confidence in you or your company?

Would they see the whole picture or an edited version? You don't have to
answer that. Believe me, the confidence my clinetele has in me and my
company has nothing to do with this forum. I have said nothing in this forum
that would deflate their confidence in our ability to provide the services
they have entrusted in us. Now, if I were to go out and bought a $6000
shower curtain, screw people out of millions of dollars, throw my wife a 2
million dollar birthday party from company funds, commit fraud, end up in
prison.......oh wait, that didn't slow down ADT,did it?

>Why do you think Jiminex hides behind a fake name and email address?

Don't know and don't care

>He knows that if
> any of his customers saw him saying the king of things he does here they'd
switch to another alarm company in less time than it
> takes him to type $%^#.

Jim's written opinions and comments are between you and him. What does that
have to do with your direct post to me, or at least calling me out, about
what I write? Go back and read what I have posted here, before I even got to
this comment, and show me were I spewed any racism, vulgarity or vitriol as
you claim I do. It is obvious that when you have had your feelings hurt by
anyone, you reach out and hit everyone, everything in sight. :o[
Just remember, when you are done with that stick don't throw it on the fire.
I guess this will get me "plonked" now, eh?