Re: 5540 Silent Knight Software Question

["Bill" <simard@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

If the panel sends an alarm in DTMF and also sends it's account number in
DTMF then I could capture those tones as it is sending to the CS.
Then I could run the .wav file through a DTMF decode and I would have the
account number.
I'm not sure if the panel is set to send SIA or FSK. It has both available
in the programming and I don't know what they set it to.

"Jackcsg" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "Bill" <simard@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:432c23e6$0$13504$5ec1c3@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> The 5530 modem would communicate with the panel if the panel was calling
> the
>> modem over the phone line.
>> The 5540 software would read the data the panel is sending and put it in
> the
>> list.
>> It would show up as an account that was not scheduled to call.
>
> It "would", or it did?
>
>> Then I could select this account from the list and tell the software: the
>> next time this panel calls -
>> upload the eeprom to this computer.
>> The only issue I am having is that I am trying to connect the panel to
>> the
>> modem straight without going over the phone line.
>> If the panel is programmed to dial without waiting for dial tone then the
>> only issue would be will the modem pick up the tones the
>> panel is sending.
> It depends what's making the panel grap dial tone, and dial. If it is an
> alarm, the panel is going to attempt to send DTMF. Your modem is waiting
> for
> FSK.
>
> Since this modem is designed specifically for programming
>> this panel it stands to reason it will work.
>
> The panel automatically switches on incomming calls to recieve FSK signals
> for remote programming. Even if you could/can initiate a remote download
> from the panel...you're missing the account number for a successful
> communication in FSK via the modem. Alarm sends DTMF.
>
>> I know I can call the panel and download into the panel directly, but
>> this
>> would wipe out all existing programming.
>> This is what I want to avoid.
>> I am going to try and read the DTMF phone number the panel is calling.
> Does
>> the panel transmit it's account # in DTMF as well?
>
> DSC used to make a nifty little hand held receiver/simulator, but if your
> panel is transmitting CID, it's pretty fast, and I doubt you'd be able to
> see it.
> Pull your zone list from the keypad, and default the panel. If that's even
> possible....
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> "Jackcsg" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:QbydnXvVL7oG9rbeRVn-pA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > No. Sorry for the misleading answer.
>> > Receivers typically issue the ack tones in DTMF, some FSK, a few BFSK,
> and
>> > SDLC.
>> > Most downloading software uses modems to communicate to the panel in an
>> > FSK
>> > (Modem) format. What Bill is trying to do won't, or should I say,
>> > shouldn't
>> > work.
>> > CID is a DTMF (Touch Tone) format, not FSK.
>> >
>> > "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> > news:WYIWe.20$v93.1313@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> So you think it will dump data on ack to the programming software?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I don't think it's work with Compass unless the csid or account
>> >> numbers
>> >> match. I know it won't work with Remote Link either...of course I
>> >> dunno
>> > much
>> >> abt Silent Knight.
>> >> ===
>> >> OH...btw...do NOT connect battery leads backwards on an XR20 even for
>> >> a
>> >> nanosecond :-(...I think you guys put a curse on me last week.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Jackcsg" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >> news:04CdnYg_kfTXzLbenZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> | It will. It's looking for "Ack" tones, not FSK modem tones.
>> >> |
>> >> | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >> | news:rcIWe.11$8x5.1072@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> | > I think he's trying to hack into a panel with programming software
> so
>> > he
>> >> | can
>> >> | > pull out the account number so that he can reprogram it...I doubt
> he
>> >> will
>> >> | > get it to work...at least that's my take on it.
>> >> | >
>> >> | > I don't think he's gonna be able to trap the panel to extract the
>> >> passcode
>> >> | > or lockcode or account number I believe it's gonna just hangup on
> the
>> >> | > software.
>> >> | >
>> >> | >
>> >> | > "mikey" <someone@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >> | > news:eLidnRjoGMq3p7beRVn-hQ@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> | > | Get what to work? You mean you guys understand what the heck
>> >> he's
>> >> trying
>> >> | > to
>> >> | > | do. I'm lost.
>> >> | > |
>> >> | > | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
>> >> message
>> >> | > | news:kVBWe.5$8x5.768@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> | > | > I doubt you will get it to work.
>> >> | > | >
>> >> | > | > You may want to try a dial tone simulator between the panel
>> >> and
>> > the
>> >> | > | > software.
>> >> | > | >
>> >> | > | >
>> >> | > | >
>> >> | > | > "Bill" <simard@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >> | > | > news:432ab8d6$0$13562$5ec1c3@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> | > | > | Yes, I am trying to do an upload, but I need to know the
>> >> account
>> >> | > number
>> >> | > | to
>> >> | > | > | request an upload.
>> >> | > | > | I don't have the account number.  The software will accept
>> >> calls
>> >> | from
>> >> | > | any
>> >> | > | > | panel and log the alarm.
>> >> | > | > | If I can get it to connect then it would log the account
> number
>> > as
>> >> | > well
>> >> | > | as
>> >> | > | > | the alarm and the
>> >> | > | > | software would tell the panel to call back in 15 minutes.
>> >> | > | > | I could then select that account from the list and tell the
>> >> | software,
>> >> | > | the
>> >> | > | > | next time this account calls upload the panels eeprom
>> >> | > | > | to the computer.  I know this would work if the panel was
>> > calling
>> >> | over
>> >> | > a
>> >> | > | > | standard phone line, but since I can't get into the
>> >> | > | > | programming mode, I can't change the number it calls.  It
>> >> was
>> >> | > | recommended
>> >> | > | > | that I let the panel call out, then unplug the phone line
>> >> and
>> > use
>> >> a
>> >> | > | > regular
>> >> | > | > | phone to dial the number I want , then plug the alarms phone
>> > jack
>> >> | back
>> >> | > | in
>> >> | > | > | when it starts ringing.  I'm not sure if that would work
>> >> either.
>> >> | > | > | Any thoughts?
>> >> | > | > |
>> >> | > | > | Bill
>> >> | > | > | simard@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> | > | > |
>> >> | > | > | "Doug L" <vssdoug@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >> | > | > | news:x4SdnTWTtO1VILfeRVn-iw@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> | > | > | > My guess is that nothing will happen other than a
>> > communication
>> >> | > | failure,
>> >> | > | > | > while not being familiar with the software or the panel in
>> >> | question,
>> >> | > | it
>> >> | > | > | > sounds like you are trying to use a upload/download
>> >> package
>> >> to
>> >> | > | > | > transmit/receive alarm signals.
>> >> | > | > | >
>> >> | > | > | > Doug L
>> >> | > | > | > --
>> >> | > | > | >
>> >> | > | > | > "Bill" <simard@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >> | > | > | > news:432a7c19$0$13523$5ec1c3@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> | > | > | >>I am planning on connecting straight to the panel using
>> >> the
>> > 5530
>> >> | > | modem.
>> >> | > | > | >> When an alarm is triggered the panel normally dials the
>> > number
>> >> | > | > programmed
>> >> | > | > | >> to report the alarm.
>> >> | > | > | >> What will happen now that the modem is plugged into the
>> > panels
>> >> | > phone
>> >> | > | > | >> jack?
>> >> | > | > | >> Will it still try to dial?  Will the modem just ignore
>> >> the
>> >> panels
>> >> | > | > dialing
>> >> | > | > | >> and send the connect tones?
>> >> | > | > | >>
>> >> | > | > | >> Thanks for the help.
>> >> | > | > | >>
>> >> | > | > | >> Bill
>> >> | > | > | >> simard@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> | > | > | >>
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