Re: 5540 Silent Knight Software Question

["Jackcsg" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Only problem is...those DTMF tones are 4th column frequencies. Not the same
as a standard touch tone phone frequencies. :-(
If it's SIA, your further screwed.
Sorry, wish I had better news for you.


"Bill" <simard@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:432c4e14$0$13509$5ec1c3@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> If the panel sends an alarm in DTMF and also sends it's account number in
> DTMF then I could capture those tones as it is sending to the CS.
> Then I could run the .wav file through a DTMF decode and I would have the
> account number.
> I'm not sure if the panel is set to send SIA or FSK. It has both available
> in the programming and I don't know what they set it to.
>
> "Jackcsg" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:eumdnfXkaq3szbHeRVn-1Q@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > "Bill" <simard@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > news:432c23e6$0$13504$5ec1c3@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> The 5530 modem would communicate with the panel if the panel was
calling
> > the
> >> modem over the phone line.
> >> The 5540 software would read the data the panel is sending and put it
in
> > the
> >> list.
> >> It would show up as an account that was not scheduled to call.
> >
> > It "would", or it did?
> >
> >> Then I could select this account from the list and tell the software:
the
> >> next time this panel calls -
> >> upload the eeprom to this computer.
> >> The only issue I am having is that I am trying to connect the panel to
> >> the
> >> modem straight without going over the phone line.
> >> If the panel is programmed to dial without waiting for dial tone then
the
> >> only issue would be will the modem pick up the tones the
> >> panel is sending.
> > It depends what's making the panel grap dial tone, and dial. If it is an
> > alarm, the panel is going to attempt to send DTMF. Your modem is waiting
> > for
> > FSK.
> >
> > Since this modem is designed specifically for programming
> >> this panel it stands to reason it will work.
> >
> > The panel automatically switches on incomming calls to recieve FSK
signals
> > for remote programming. Even if you could/can initiate a remote download
> > from the panel...you're missing the account number for a successful
> > communication in FSK via the modem. Alarm sends DTMF.
> >
> >> I know I can call the panel and download into the panel directly, but
> >> this
> >> would wipe out all existing programming.
> >> This is what I want to avoid.
> >> I am going to try and read the DTMF phone number the panel is calling.
> > Does
> >> the panel transmit it's account # in DTMF as well?
> >
> > DSC used to make a nifty little hand held receiver/simulator, but if
your
> > panel is transmitting CID, it's pretty fast, and I doubt you'd be able
to
> > see it.
> > Pull your zone list from the keypad, and default the panel. If that's
even
> > possible....
> >>
> >> Bill
> >>
> >> "Jackcsg" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> news:QbydnXvVL7oG9rbeRVn-pA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > No. Sorry for the misleading answer.
> >> > Receivers typically issue the ack tones in DTMF, some FSK, a few
BFSK,
> > and
> >> > SDLC.
> >> > Most downloading software uses modems to communicate to the panel in
an
> >> > FSK
> >> > (Modem) format. What Bill is trying to do won't, or should I say,
> >> > shouldn't
> >> > work.
> >> > CID is a DTMF (Touch Tone) format, not FSK.
> >> >
> >> > "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> > news:WYIWe.20$v93.1313@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> So you think it will dump data on ack to the programming software?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't think it's work with Compass unless the csid or account
> >> >> numbers
> >> >> match. I know it won't work with Remote Link either...of course I
> >> >> dunno
> >> > much
> >> >> abt Silent Knight.
> >> >> ===
> >> >> OH...btw...do NOT connect battery leads backwards on an XR20 even
for
> >> >> a
> >> >> nanosecond :-(...I think you guys put a curse on me last week.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "Jackcsg" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> >> news:04CdnYg_kfTXzLbenZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> | It will. It's looking for "Ack" tones, not FSK modem tones.
> >> >> |
> >> >> | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> >> | news:rcIWe.11$8x5.1072@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> | > I think he's trying to hack into a panel with programming
software
> > so
> >> > he
> >> >> | can
> >> >> | > pull out the account number so that he can reprogram it...I
doubt
> > he
> >> >> will
> >> >> | > get it to work...at least that's my take on it.
> >> >> | >
> >> >> | > I don't think he's gonna be able to trap the panel to extract
the
> >> >> passcode
> >> >> | > or lockcode or account number I believe it's gonna just hangup
on
> > the
> >> >> | > software.
> >> >> | >
> >> >> | >
> >> >> | > "mikey" <someone@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> >> | > news:eLidnRjoGMq3p7beRVn-hQ@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> | > | Get what to work? You mean you guys understand what the heck
> >> >> he's
> >> >> trying
> >> >> | > to
> >> >> | > | do. I'm lost.
> >> >> | > |
> >> >> | > | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
> >> >> message
> >> >> | > | news:kVBWe.5$8x5.768@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> | > | > I doubt you will get it to work.
> >> >> | > | >
> >> >> | > | > You may want to try a dial tone simulator between the panel
> >> >> and
> >> > the
> >> >> | > | > software.
> >> >> | > | >
> >> >> | > | >
> >> >> | > | >
> >> >> | > | > "Bill" <simard@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> >> | > | > news:432ab8d6$0$13562$5ec1c3@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> | > | > | Yes, I am trying to do an upload, but I need to know the
> >> >> account
> >> >> | > number
> >> >> | > | to
> >> >> | > | > | request an upload.
> >> >> | > | > | I don't have the account number.  The software will accept
> >> >> calls
> >> >> | from
> >> >> | > | any
> >> >> | > | > | panel and log the alarm.
> >> >> | > | > | If I can get it to connect then it would log the account
> > number
> >> > as
> >> >> | > well
> >> >> | > | as
> >> >> | > | > | the alarm and the
> >> >> | > | > | software would tell the panel to call back in 15 minutes.
> >> >> | > | > | I could then select that account from the list and tell
the
> >> >> | software,
> >> >> | > | the
> >> >> | > | > | next time this account calls upload the panels eeprom
> >> >> | > | > | to the computer.  I know this would work if the panel was
> >> > calling
> >> >> | over
> >> >> | > a
> >> >> | > | > | standard phone line, but since I can't get into the
> >> >> | > | > | programming mode, I can't change the number it calls.  It
> >> >> was
> >> >> | > | recommended
> >> >> | > | > | that I let the panel call out, then unplug the phone line
> >> >> and
> >> > use
> >> >> a
> >> >> | > | > regular
> >> >> | > | > | phone to dial the number I want , then plug the alarms
phone
> >> > jack
> >> >> | back
> >> >> | > | in
> >> >> | > | > | when it starts ringing.  I'm not sure if that would work
> >> >> either.
> >> >> | > | > | Any thoughts?
> >> >> | > | > |
> >> >> | > | > | Bill
> >> >> | > | > | simard@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> | > | > |
> >> >> | > | > | "Doug L" <vssdoug@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> >> | > | > | news:x4SdnTWTtO1VILfeRVn-iw@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> | > | > | > My guess is that nothing will happen other than a
> >> > communication
> >> >> | > | failure,
> >> >> | > | > | > while not being familiar with the software or the panel
in
> >> >> | question,
> >> >> | > | it
> >> >> | > | > | > sounds like you are trying to use a upload/download
> >> >> package
> >> >> to
> >> >> | > | > | > transmit/receive alarm signals.
> >> >> | > | > | >
> >> >> | > | > | > Doug L
> >> >> | > | > | > --
> >> >> | > | > | >
> >> >> | > | > | > "Bill" <simard@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> >> | > | > | > news:432a7c19$0$13523$5ec1c3@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> | > | > | >>I am planning on connecting straight to the panel using
> >> >> the
> >> > 5530
> >> >> | > | modem.
> >> >> | > | > | >> When an alarm is triggered the panel normally dials the
> >> > number
> >> >> | > | > programmed
> >> >> | > | > | >> to report the alarm.
> >> >> | > | > | >> What will happen now that the modem is plugged into the
> >> > panels
> >> >> | > phone
> >> >> | > | > | >> jack?
> >> >> | > | > | >> Will it still try to dial?  Will the modem just ignore
> >> >> the
> >> >> panels
> >> >> | > | > dialing
> >> >> | > | > | >> and send the connect tones?
> >> >> | > | > | >>
> >> >> | > | > | >> Thanks for the help.
> >> >> | > | > | >>
> >> >> | > | > | >> Bill
> >> >> | > | > | >> simard@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> | > | > | >>
> >> >> | > | > | >>
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