Re: 5540 Silent Knight Software Question

[r.segrist@xxxxxxxxxxxx]

BIll, the alarm panel will want to hear from the alarm receiver when it
reports an alarm. In reporting, it will send SIA or FSK depending on
how it was programmed. Your method using sound software to decodc DTMF
will work for the number it is dialuing, but you won't get anywhere
with trying to decode any signals that will go to the alarm receiver or
modem. The modem isn't really designed to handle alarm signals. It is
primarily designed to work with the download software. If you can get
the modem to answer from the panel as if an up/download were happening,
then you may be able to get a querry from the panel to the software.
This will get you the account number you need to set up the software
for the upload. Once you set that up, you can set your software to
"Request Upload". Being a new account in the database, it should send
you everything including the installer's code. You can then get into
programming. Even easier would be to modify the program in the download
software and send it back to the panel. Much easier than through the
keypad.



Bill wrote:
> If the panel sends an alarm in DTMF and also sends it's account number in
> DTMF then I could capture those tones as it is sending to the CS.
> Then I could run the .wav file through a DTMF decode and I would have the
> account number.
> I'm not sure if the panel is set to send SIA or FSK. It has both available
> in the programming and I don't know what they set it to.
>
> "Jackcsg" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:eumdnfXkaq3szbHeRVn-1Q@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > "Bill" <simard@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > news:432c23e6$0$13504$5ec1c3@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> The 5530 modem would communicate with the panel if the panel was calling
> > the
> >> modem over the phone line.
> >> The 5540 software would read the data the panel is sending and put it in
> > the
> >> list.
> >> It would show up as an account that was not scheduled to call.
> >
> > It "would", or it did?
> >
> >> Then I could select this account from the list and tell the software: the
> >> next time this panel calls -
> >> upload the eeprom to this computer.
> >> The only issue I am having is that I am trying to connect the panel to
> >> the
> >> modem straight without going over the phone line.
> >> If the panel is programmed to dial without waiting for dial tone then the
> >> only issue would be will the modem pick up the tones the
> >> panel is sending.
> > It depends what's making the panel grap dial tone, and dial. If it is an
> > alarm, the panel is going to attempt to send DTMF. Your modem is waiting
> > for
> > FSK.
> >
> > Since this modem is designed specifically for programming
> >> this panel it stands to reason it will work.
> >
> > The panel automatically switches on incomming calls to recieve FSK signals
> > for remote programming. Even if you could/can initiate a remote download
> > from the panel...you're missing the account number for a successful
> > communication in FSK via the modem. Alarm sends DTMF.
> >
> >> I know I can call the panel and download into the panel directly, but
> >> this
> >> would wipe out all existing programming.
> >> This is what I want to avoid.
> >> I am going to try and read the DTMF phone number the panel is calling.
> > Does
> >> the panel transmit it's account # in DTMF as well?
> >
> > DSC used to make a nifty little hand held receiver/simulator, but if your
> > panel is transmitting CID, it's pretty fast, and I doubt you'd be able to
> > see it.
> > Pull your zone list from the keypad, and default the panel. If that's even
> > possible....
> >>
> >> Bill
> >>
> >> "Jackcsg" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> news:QbydnXvVL7oG9rbeRVn-pA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > No. Sorry for the misleading answer.
> >> > Receivers typically issue the ack tones in DTMF, some FSK, a few BFSK,
> > and
> >> > SDLC.
> >> > Most downloading software uses modems to communicate to the panel in an
> >> > FSK
> >> > (Modem) format. What Bill is trying to do won't, or should I say,
> >> > shouldn't
> >> > work.
> >> > CID is a DTMF (Touch Tone) format, not FSK.
> >> >
> >> > "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> > news:WYIWe.20$v93.1313@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> So you think it will dump data on ack to the programming software?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't think it's work with Compass unless the csid or account
> >> >> numbers
> >> >> match. I know it won't work with Remote Link either...of course I
> >> >> dunno
> >> > much
> >> >> abt Silent Knight.
> >> >> ===
> >> >> OH...btw...do NOT connect battery leads backwards on an XR20 even for
> >> >> a
> >> >> nanosecond :-(...I think you guys put a curse on me last week.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "Jackcsg" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> >> news:04CdnYg_kfTXzLbenZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> | It will. It's looking for "Ack" tones, not FSK modem tones.
> >> >> |
> >> >> | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> >> | news:rcIWe.11$8x5.1072@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> | > I think he's trying to hack into a panel with programming software
> > so
> >> > he
> >> >> | can
> >> >> | > pull out the account number so that he can reprogram it...I doubt
> > he
> >> >> will
> >> >> | > get it to work...at least that's my take on it.
> >> >> | >
> >> >> | > I don't think he's gonna be able to trap the panel to extract the
> >> >> passcode
> >> >> | > or lockcode or account number I believe it's gonna just hangup on
> > the
> >> >> | > software.
> >> >> | >
> >> >> | >
> >> >> | > "mikey" <someone@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> >> | > news:eLidnRjoGMq3p7beRVn-hQ@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> | > | Get what to work? You mean you guys understand what the heck
> >> >> he's
> >> >> trying
> >> >> | > to
> >> >> | > | do. I'm lost.
> >> >> | > |
> >> >> | > | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
> >> >> message
> >> >> | > | news:kVBWe.5$8x5.768@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> | > | > I doubt you will get it to work.
> >> >> | > | >
> >> >> | > | > You may want to try a dial tone simulator between the panel
> >> >> and
> >> > the
> >> >> | > | > software.
> >> >> | > | >
> >> >> | > | >
> >> >> | > | >
> >> >> | > | > "Bill" <simard@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> >> | > | > news:432ab8d6$0$13562$5ec1c3@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> | > | > | Yes, I am trying to do an upload, but I need to know the
> >> >> account
> >> >> | > number
> >> >> | > | to
> >> >> | > | > | request an upload.
> >> >> | > | > | I don't have the account number.  The software will accept
> >> >> calls
> >> >> | from
> >> >> | > | any
> >> >> | > | > | panel and log the alarm.
> >> >> | > | > | If I can get it to connect then it would log the account
> > number
> >> > as
> >> >> | > well
> >> >> | > | as
> >> >> | > | > | the alarm and the
> >> >> | > | > | software would tell the panel to call back in 15 minutes.
> >> >> | > | > | I could then select that account from the list and tell the
> >> >> | software,
> >> >> | > | the
> >> >> | > | > | next time this account calls upload the panels eeprom
> >> >> | > | > | to the computer.  I know this would work if the panel was
> >> > calling
> >> >> | over
> >> >> | > a
> >> >> | > | > | standard phone line, but since I can't get into the
> >> >> | > | > | programming mode, I can't change the number it calls.  It
> >> >> was
> >> >> | > | recommended
> >> >> | > | > | that I let the panel call out, then unplug the phone line
> >> >> and
> >> > use
> >> >> a
> >> >> | > | > regular
> >> >> | > | > | phone to dial the number I want , then plug the alarms phone
> >> > jack
> >> >> | back
> >> >> | > | in
> >> >> | > | > | when it starts ringing.  I'm not sure if that would work
> >> >> either.
> >> >> | > | > | Any thoughts?
> >> >> | > | > |
> >> >> | > | > | Bill
> >> >> | > | > | simard@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> | > | > |
> >> >> | > | > | "Doug L" <vssdoug@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> >> | > | > | news:x4SdnTWTtO1VILfeRVn-iw@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> | > | > | > My guess is that nothing will happen other than a
> >> > communication
> >> >> | > | failure,
> >> >> | > | > | > while not being familiar with the software or the panel in
> >> >> | question,
> >> >> | > | it
> >> >> | > | > | > sounds like you are trying to use a upload/download
> >> >> package
> >> >> to
> >> >> | > | > | > transmit/receive alarm signals.
> >> >> | > | > | >
> >> >> | > | > | > Doug L
> >> >> | > | > | > --
> >> >> | > | > | >
> >> >> | > | > | > "Bill" <simard@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> >> | > | > | > news:432a7c19$0$13523$5ec1c3@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> | > | > | >>I am planning on connecting straight to the panel using
> >> >> the
> >> > 5530
> >> >> | > | modem.
> >> >> | > | > | >> When an alarm is triggered the panel normally dials the
> >> > number
> >> >> | > | > programmed
> >> >> | > | > | >> to report the alarm.
> >> >> | > | > | >> What will happen now that the modem is plugged into the
> >> > panels
> >> >> | > phone
> >> >> | > | > | >> jack?
> >> >> | > | > | >> Will it still try to dial?  Will the modem just ignore
> >> >> the
> >> >> panels
> >> >> | > | > dialing
> >> >> | > | > | >> and send the connect tones?
> >> >> | > | > | >>
> >> >> | > | > | >> Thanks for the help.
> >> >> | > | > | >>
> >> >> | > | > | >> Bill
> >> >> | > | > | >> simard@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> | > | > | >>
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