Re: It's me

["R.H.Campbell" <rh.campbell@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

You know Tom, sometimes you can be downright entertaining ! I really don't
want to "PLONK" you as you say; sometimes you and I can actually almost
agree on a few things. Your cash flow on your freeby installs isn't bad;
you're lucky you had a source of financing. Too many little guys try to go
it alone financing it themselves and go tits up as a result. Glad to see you
survived. I hope your attrition rate over the long is not too bad.

I think my knowledge of this industry is quite up to scratch. Nor as you
keep assuming, do I have a problem with long term contracts in general; just
when they are not called for...ie: when the customer has paid a full price
up front (as all my clients do), or when the customer fully owns the panel
outright (like takeovers). I personally believe they should be used only to
pay for systems that are artificially low at the front end, which is (or
was) the big way to sell to cost conscious consumers. But no matter how you
or the rest of the industry slice it, there is simply nothing in it for the
client; it's all slanted towards the alarmco (other than Bob Lalonde's
approach which at least gives the client the benefit of some measure of
guaranteed rate over time, and that's the ONLY valid reason I've ever heard
frankly). I do honestly think that the drive for RMR has done nothing good
for our industry, since it has slanted things away from comprehensive
systems with better coverage. And maybe you are correct when you say this is
partly my marketing gimmick, but why wouldn't I do this when no one else
does. It gives me a decided advantage over everyone else locally, and I lose
little in doing so (I have a standing offer for my customer base at 30 times
monthly, which is close to what a 5 year contract is going for currently
hereabouts). So rather than scratch with the 100 or so other companies
trying to get that name on a long term contract, I can simply sit and wait
for the phone to ring as word spreads! My biggest problem comes when ex-ADT
clients don't believe I can do all I say at half the price they've been
paying all these years, and I have to sit down and explain the facts of life
to them !! Once I explain the cash flow, they understand things and usually
buy on.....

And as far as RLB's site goes, I see no hypocracy in his selling the all in
one systems even though he says he doesn't like them, and wouldn't install
them. I happen to agree with him, I wouldn't either. But the client is the
one making the choice, so why wouldn't he put them on his site to give his
clients freedom of choice. I have no doubt that if they were to call him up
and ask his recommendation, it sure as hell wouldn't be one of these squawk
boxes. But that's no reason why he shouldn't have a wide variety of
different makes and models of panels on his site. That's what any store does
if they want to cater to the widest audience possible. And as we all know,
he is running a store ! We can't on one hand promote the capitalistic
approach when it comes to our clients and on the other hand run him down for
his variety of products on his site. THAT is hypocracy !!

I don't deal in personalities; that is not my purpose here. I don't like or
dislike anyone here. Other than Mikey who happens to be a fellow dealer
locally, I have never met anyone here. I have spoken to a few of the folks
here...RLB and Jim Rojas both, as well as Irv Fisher who no longer is part
of the ng. I'm no ones particular friend or enemy for that matter, and I
refuse to pass judgment on people that I haven't met, and in who's shoes I
"haven't walked a mile" So if that makes me seeming to side with anyone,
you're simply wrong. (sometimes I know how Switzerland must have felt during
WW II). And if you or anyone else sees that as hypocisy, then TOUGH SH*T !
(I worked alongside US Marines in Goose Bay, Labrador as a student for quite
awhile, and if anyone can teach you how to swear, they can... I learned from
the best !!). I prefer to deal strictly with issues and ....yes....I don't
like crude people. I don't associate with them in real life and I have no
truck with them here. Frankly (and you can take this as gospel), I don't
give a tinkers damn what you or anyone else here thinks of me personally.
I'll say my piece and you can agree or disagree - that is your and everyone
else's option (that's what the hell a newsgroup is all about ). If you or
anyone else gets crude or ignorant, I simply tune you out. Life it too short
to have to associate with people like that! . If I "plonk" someone, or
choose to stop debating the merits of a point of view, it's usually because
I've said my piece and nothing I say from that point on is going to add
anything useful to the conversation. The other parties mind is made up, and
that's ok too. But any further conversation means the thread usually heads
downhill from there ! So I'm gone, pure and simple !. It's not a retreat;
just a recognition there is no further point to discussing that issue any
further !!

So I'll just hoist up my panties and retreat to the background quietly once
again and enjoy the scenery.....toodles !!

RHC

"Where's my WEBTV?" <alarminstall@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:1132190013.215755.224730@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>I believe you mean Zero down systems, Bob, and because I had a funding
> source, and due to the market leaning that way, they were easy to
> offer. At that time I was installing a LYNXREN with 2 doors, 1 motion,
> and a keyfob for zero down, while charging $24.99 per month for
> monitoring.
> Back then the LYNX kit had a cost of around $185.00, installers were
> earning $100.00 per basic, and sales commissions were $100.00 (hey they
> should all work for free, right?).
> The average lead cost (including rent, telephone, electric, insurance,
> workmen's comp, etc) was in the neighborhood of $200.00.
>
> So my out of pocket expense was $585.00, and the contract had the
> client paying $899.64. The bank was funding me roughly $750.00. Wow,
> what a huge and unfair profit margin huh? If you're selling an alarm
> where your out of pocket expense is $585.00 do you sell it for $385.00?
> Installing dealers are entitled to profit, and no matter how much you,
> and Pinky, refer to the IB (that means installing bunch) as thieves,
> you're still not going to get anyone to throw on Santa suits and start
> giving away the ranch.
>
> Now back when I was offering the LYNX your pal Bass was knocking
> self-contained systems, referring to them as junk, but he must have
> changed his tune because he now sells them on his website.
> The technology hasn't changed, so what other than an opportunity to
> profit caused Bass to suddenly offer this "junk" on his website?
>
> The difference between Bass and Cooper is Cooper is a blatant
> bullshitter from the word go, but Bass is a sneaky bastard, and people
> who take it upon themselves to trounce one scammer (Cooper), while
> remaining pals with another blatant scammer (Bass), are either too
> stupid to notice the similarities or they seriously lack the integrity
> it takes to admit the error and confront the problem.
>
> The difference between you and you is I am rude, crude, obnoxious,
> vulgar, and socially unacceptable but I tell it like it is, (whether
> you like it or not or whether you want to hear it or not) whereas you
> seem mannerly, polite, well-spoken (for a canuck), but your statements
> regarding installing companies, installers, and sales reps are totally
> absurd. Your knowledge of the industry is sorely lacking, and you have
> become the North American Paul using contracts in place of RFI.
> Yes, I hammer on Bass at any opportunity because it's entertaining, and
> I hope he never leaves. I seriously don't give a shit what he sells,
> and to whom, for any other purpose than to hammer him. Every thread
> he's involved in turns out to be a flame fest, and you often seem to
> find your way into the fray, so don't get your panties in a knot when
> someone calls you on the carpet for your hypocritical ways.
>
> Now grab your skirt heels and throw the old PLONK on me because that
> seems to be your happy little way of avoiding people who think you are
> a FUCKING (added that one because I know it's your favorite) goof at
> times.
>
>
>
>
> R.H.Campbell wrote:
>> Thanks Tom ! Coming from you, as I remember, the master of the free
>> system
>> sale, that is quite a compliment !
>>
>> Hey, this is fun ! Can I be the newsgroup bad boy....please, please !
>> Baiting the twits is such fun !!  If I could steal all of RLB's thunder,
>> wouldn't that be a hoot!!!! (like the politician said, I don't care what
>> they say about me as long as they're talking about me....)
>>
>> Ok guys ! Give it your best shot......:))))) (oh goody goody...)
>>
>> RHC
>>
>> "Where's my WEBTV?" <alarminstall@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:1132112927.660742.127930@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > As if anyone other than me would annoint WEBTV a decent ISP, as well as
>> > share my excellent command of the expletives you find so fucking
>> > offensive.
>> > Your wish for the end of aliases is about as likely to happen as the
>> > wish for you to stop pretending Bass is a contributor and not a
>> > soliciting scumbag. The group would be dull at best without his
>> > constant bullshit stories but when you portray yourself as an amateur
>> > consumer advocate you look like an idiot when you maintain a
>> > relationship with the biggest scam artist here while pretending as if
>> > he's just a misunderstood person.
>> > Your credibility is so shot it wouldn't surprise me if you were the
>> > Professor X your pal Cooper refers to.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > R.H.Campbell wrote:
>> >> Ah sorry guy ! I can never tell who the devil is behind all these
>> >> pseudonames. Thought it was you. I wish people would stop hiding
>> >> behind
>> >> all
>> >> these aliases. I don't know what purpose it serves other than to
>> >> confuse
>> >> people....
>> >>
>> >> RHC
>> >>
>> >> "G. Morgan" <alarmprosnail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >> news:437a8623.8359890@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >
>> >> > That wasn't me you crazy Canuck!  That was your pal Tom (-Where's my
>> >> > WebTV-).
>> >
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