Re: Moose/Sentol

[tourman <robercampbell@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Oct 2, 3:55=A0pm, mleuck <m.le...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Oct 2, 1:54=A0pm, G. Morgan <usenet_ab...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > tourman <robercampb...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > <snip the education part-- thanks>
>
> > >The PAL might seem onerous but overall it is a good piece of licensing
> > >that serves to ensure those who shouldn't have legal firearms are
> > >prevented from doing so, plus ensures all gun owners are trained in
> > >safe handling and storage etc. BUT THAT'S AS FAR AS IT SHOULD
> > >GO !!!!!!! Further registries do nothing to enhance public safety and
> > >only serve to control and restrict those guns that legitimate owners
> > >possess....
>
> > Well, if it is how you describe it I completely agree. =A0Ever see the =
old 80's
> > movie "Red Dawn"? =A0It's about the Soviets invading US soil. =A0The fi=
rst thing
> > they did was to round up all the registered gun owners and detain them.=
 =A0
>
> It doesn't take the Soviets invading to do that, during Katrina the
> local police did the same thing
>
> Blatantly against the law but they always apologize and admit fault
> after the fact when the population might have needed those weapons.

RHC: Yes, I remember seeing on the news that local police in New
Orleans were disarming citizens they found carrying firearms. I also
remember reading stories of people almost randomly being shot along
the highways while they were stuck in traffic, after being robbed.
Chaotic scenarios like Katrina bring out the best and worst in people,
and I think the cops probably honestly thought they were assisting the
situation taking firearms that were being openly displayed, out of
circulation. It was a bad time for all, and it's easy to find fault
after the fact.

Personally, as a Canadian, I find it difficult to envisage a need to
ever carry a concealed firearm. I know of no place in Canada - even
the worst parts of Montreal, Toronto or Vancouver, where this would
ever be necessary. One of the local Sherrifs I shoot with in Florida
is always asking me why I don't apply for a CCW permit. I would never
use a firearm under any circumstances against another person, so I
don't see the need to ever have such a permit. He did say correctly
though, that in travelling to Florida, if I am stopped by local cops
along the way who don't happen to agree with the Safe Passage law in
the US, a concealed weapon permit - even from out of state - would
guarantee I could go on my way unimpeded (rather than having to spend
the weekend in jail before the local judge throws the case out of
court)

He may have a point there !! I guess I should have done so before
since as of June of this year, Florida CCW's are no longer available
to anyone from out of state.....

Traveling within Canada with firearms (especially restricted handguns)
is SO difficult that permits are needed for every kind of movement,
and this makes it pretty easy to know what permits are required.
Requirements are clearly laid out in the law (other than in Quebec
where they may or may not follow the Federal law...surprise,
surprise !! ). Traveling within the US with firearms is so varied from
state to state that it's almost impossible to guarantee yourself that
you are always doing so legally. There are books available on the
subject, it is so varied and complex !!!!

For example, even locked according to stringent Canadian standards on
transportation of restricted weapons (trigger lock, barrel lock, two
case locks, case locked to frame of the car, and concealed from view
in the trunk), I still cannot travel through Chicago, New York City or
Washington, DC. The only time I've ever been hassled is by one US
Border Agent in New York who didn't know the law and refused to let me
pass through because I wasn't law enforcement. One hour later with the
assistance of the ATF in Virginia, they did let me through (with no
apologies of course for holding me up needlessly, or because they
obviously didn't know the law). Canadian Border Agents are always
astounded when I cross with handguns; however, I usually bamboozle
them with a huge binder full of permits, and after a cursory glance at
them, they let me through....:)) They often use students at border
crossing points during the summer months however, and since they don't
know poop from paint about the gun laws, this always requires me to
insist they send out their supervisor to clear the matter (Canadian
society is absolutely paranoid about guns being smuggled in from the
US.....)

It makes for some interesting times.....:))))