Re: Ademco Vista Programming

["FIRETEK" <firetech(change-the-ch-to-k)@telus.net>]

I believe Jim has spent a large amount of time accumulating manuals for
security systems around the world.  His has a huge "private library"
dedicated to a specific industry, and I believe he's entitled to grant
membership to whom-so-ever he chooses.  If he also chooses to "charge" for
that priviledge, that's entirely up to him.  There is a cost associated with
running a website as extensive as Jim's.  As long as he's not *selling* the
manuals I see no problem with his trying to recover some of those expenses.
I've also seen a number of his responses to individuals requesting
information on a specific panel where he simply emails them the info
"gratis".  It's no more than what I would do for someone requesting a manual
for FireLite, Notifier, Edwards, or any other fire alarm system.  I just
don't have them all conveniently saved to a PDF.  Would I give out the
programming passwords or the "hacks"?  Not on your nelly.

I don't believe what Bass did was "right" either.  I'm certain he didn't ask
Honeywell's permission to post (or otherwise transmit) the login information
to all and sundry that ask (or to even volunteer to supply it whenever he
feels like it).  He does not "represent" (or act as an authorized agent for)
Honeywell or any of the other manufacturers whose products he "shills".  He
uses all sorts of lame excuses to support what he does, but what it all
really boils down to is his lack of ethics and the fact that he's nothing
more than an "installer wannabee" with a huge chip on his shoulder.  I've
seen his type before as I'm sure you have as well.  He's the guy that shows
up at the alarm association meetings complaining about having to respond to
AC power failure signals when the central station receiver he has to move
from his "office" to his bedside nightstand goes off at 2:00AM.


"Everywhere Man" <alarminstall@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:1165507638.494298.229830@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Frank,
> If I pirate some music, and Hollywood movies it's ok for me to charge a
> user fee to my website allowing others to watch them?
> Is any portion of that user fee being sent to the companies who own the
> manuals?
> Members of those websites can also print the manuals too.
> Who gave these people the right to charge for access to another
> company's information?
>
> Now for all involved (not directed at Frank but I'll use this same post
> since I am too lazy to reply to any others) I think RLB publically
> posting passwords to the Honeywell site (or any other site) is wrong,
> and done out of spite, but if you guys are so angered by confidential
> information being doled out then you should take umbrage with the
> non-Honeywell websites that offer the information too. While we're at
> it why is nothing said when people here offer to unlock panels that
> don't belong to them?
> We are in an industry full of whores but only one of the hookers gets
> pimp slapped for being wrong and the other whores who post here are
> called "respected contributors".
> We're in the security field and we turn a blind eye to breaches just
> because we like the guy who has created the breach.
>
>
>
> FIRETEK change-the-ch-to-k wrote:
> > I hardly think a "user fee" is "selling something "which is not his to
> > sell".
> >
> >
> > "Everywhere Man" <alarminstall@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > news:1165482014.171011.80140@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Mark Leuck wrote:
> > > > Of course! therefore it's okay then to post any proprietary
information
> > > > available <
> > >
> > > It's never ok to post it but that hasn't stopped anyone here from
doing
> > > it.
> > > Hell for a few bucks there are people here who will unlock those
boards
> > > for end users with proprietary panels. For a few more greenbacks you
> > > can buy a membership to websites that sell access to hundreds of
> > > different programming manuals. Who is worse? The one who posts it for
> > > free out of spite or the one who sells that which is not his to sell?
> > >
>