Re: Ademco Vista Programming

["Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Some manufacturers like Bosch and Electronic Lines don't seem to have any
security on their web sites. Anyone can see everything. Some like Napco,
Honeywell, DMP, and Paradox for example have various levels of security for
signing into their site. Bass says that purchasers of DIY need access to the
manufacturer's web site the same way a dealer would need site access to aid
in installation of their own equipment. Since I have no experience in the
DIY market I am in no position to refute or support that notion. My thought
is that certain panels may be easy enough for a DIY to program. The
Honeywell Vista 128FB as well as many others would not be on my list of
panels that a DIY person should attempt to program. I don't know how
Honeywell feels about Bass posting the login to their site. It might be
interesting to see what their official position is on the subject. Has
anyone asked? Honeywell cetainly doesn't mind it enought to stop selling to
Bass it seems. If Honeywell is taking money from Bass aren't their resources
available to him as a customer of Honeywell? If Honeywell were truly worried
about unauthorized web site access they could use Microsoft WebTS and/or an
individual user name and password logins instead of a common login. In the
end who answers the question as to whether or not Bass is responsible to
protect Honeywell's interests in limiting access to their web site, or even
if that is something that Honeywell actually cares about. How much
responsibility one puts on Bass in any case seems to me to be an individual
matter. In this regard Honeywell is not left without recourse and can chose
to choke down access to their site when they decide it is necessary. It
seems to me if Bass were truly interested in what anyone else thought he
would merely copy wholesale the web sites of the equipment manufacturers he
sold and incorporate it (with permission) in a web site of his own. Bass
could then lock his own site down in a more aggressive fashion (so no one
here would see it) and use exclusive access to his site as a sales tool for
the DIY folks he sells to. I don't know anything about the DIY market, but I
would think the DIY web FAQ would not be the same as a regular dealer web
FAQ. I am not trying to tell Bass how to run his business, just stating what
makes sense to me. Honeywell itself is not without its own critics, like
Napco, that think that selling to dealers and competing with dealers at the
same time is unethical. Seems like one would have to make his or her own
judgements about how ethical or unethical Bass is compared to Honeywell and
which do you wish to support. Honeywell is a $30 billion company. As a
pratical matter even if Bass hated Honeywell as much as some who post here
seem to hate Bass, I doubt he could think of any way to damage Honeywell.
Bass states that the reason he posts the login is to help his customers,
Bass doesn't mention any interest in hurting Honeywell. I don't think
Honeywell is too concerned about Bass or anyone else that posts here having
any real impact on that $30 billion figure.

"Mark Leuck" <m..leuck@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> I am not avoiding it. It seems that most everyone here has been talking
>> to
>> Bass or about Bass for along time and to date nothing has seemed to
>> influence him one way or another. Me adding my 2 cents is unlikely to
>> make
>> any difference. I took note of Jim's comments. Agreeing with Jim on one
>> point doesn't take me down the road to wishing any harm on Bass. Having
> just
>> buried my friend from a slow terrible unfair death last week I see no
> reason
>> to support or condemn any side here. I have no ability to control others
> in
>> any way and no desire to. It is enough for me to tend to the details of
>> my
>> own life. If Bass wants to know what I think of his methods I suspect he
>> will ask me. If Jim wants to know I can say it is something I would not
>> choose to do.
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> That wasn't what I was saying, Jim said what he said because RLB for the
> upteenth time public posted the login to Honeywell's secure website. You
> must have missed it
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> I seriously doubt anyone wishes harm on RLB, certainly not me
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