Re: Ademco Vista Programming

["Russell Brill" <russwbrill@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

"Mark Leuck" <m..leuck@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> Then I take it you have no problems with people publicly posting logins to
> secure websites then? Ask him why he doesn't post Napco or DSC's site
> logins

I'm thinking because it would be his User Name & Password the whole world
would be using... Honeywell needs to assign each WebTech user his/her own
password...

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> "Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> Some manufacturers like Bosch and Electronic Lines don't seem to have any
>> security on their web sites. Anyone can see everything. Some like Napco,
>> Honeywell, DMP, and Paradox for example have various levels of security
> for
>> signing into their site. Bass says that purchasers of DIY need access to
> the
>> manufacturer's web site the same way a dealer would need site access to
> aid
>> in installation of their own equipment. Since I have no experience in the
>> DIY market I am in no position to refute or support that notion. My
> thought
>> is that certain panels may be easy enough for a DIY to program. The
>> Honeywell Vista 128FB as well as many others would not be on my list of
>> panels that a DIY person should attempt to program. I don't know how
>> Honeywell feels about Bass posting the login to their site. It might be
>> interesting to see what their official position is on the subject. Has
>> anyone asked? Honeywell cetainly doesn't mind it enought to stop selling
> to
>> Bass it seems. If Honeywell is taking money from Bass aren't their
> resources
>> available to him as a customer of Honeywell? If Honeywell were truly
> worried
>> about unauthorized web site access they could use Microsoft WebTS and/or
> an
>> individual user name and password logins instead of a common login. In
>> the
>> end who answers the question as to whether or not Bass is responsible to
>> protect Honeywell's interests in limiting access to their web site, or
> even
>> if that is something that Honeywell actually cares about. How much
>> responsibility one puts on Bass in any case seems to me to be an
> individual
>> matter. In this regard Honeywell is not left without recourse and can
> chose
>> to choke down access to their site when they decide it is necessary. It
>> seems to me if Bass were truly interested in what anyone else thought he
>> would merely copy wholesale the web sites of the equipment manufacturers
> he
>> sold and incorporate it (with permission) in a web site of his own. Bass
>> could then lock his own site down in a more aggressive fashion (so no one
>> here would see it) and use exclusive access to his site as a sales tool
> for
>> the DIY folks he sells to. I don't know anything about the DIY market,
>> but
> I
>> would think the DIY web FAQ would not be the same as a regular dealer web
>> FAQ. I am not trying to tell Bass how to run his business, just stating
> what
>> makes sense to me. Honeywell itself is not without its own critics, like
>> Napco, that think that selling to dealers and competing with dealers at
> the
>> same time is unethical. Seems like one would have to make his or her own
>> judgements about how ethical or unethical Bass is compared to Honeywell
> and
>> which do you wish to support. Honeywell is a $30 billion company. As a
>> pratical matter even if Bass hated Honeywell as much as some who post
>> here
>> seem to hate Bass, I doubt he could think of any way to damage Honeywell.
>> Bass states that the reason he posts the login is to help his customers,
>> Bass doesn't mention any interest in hurting Honeywell. I don't think
>> Honeywell is too concerned about Bass or anyone else that posts here
> having
>> any real impact on that $30 billion figure.
>>
>> "Mark Leuck" <m..leuck@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> > "Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> >> I am not avoiding it. It seems that most everyone here has been
>> >> talking
>> >> to
>> >> Bass or about Bass for along time and to date nothing has seemed to
>> >> influence him one way or another. Me adding my 2 cents is unlikely to
>> >> make
>> >> any difference. I took note of Jim's comments. Agreeing with Jim on
>> >> one
>> >> point doesn't take me down the road to wishing any harm on Bass.
>> >> Having
>> > just
>> >> buried my friend from a slow terrible unfair death last week I see no
>> > reason
>> >> to support or condemn any side here. I have no ability to control
> others
>> > in
>> >> any way and no desire to. It is enough for me to tend to the details
>> >> of
>> >> my
>> >> own life. If Bass wants to know what I think of his methods I suspect
> he
>> >> will ask me. If Jim wants to know I can say it is something I would
>> >> not
>> >> choose to do.
>> >
>> > That wasn't what I was saying, Jim said what he said because RLB for
>> > the
>> > upteenth time public posted the login to Honeywell's secure website.
>> > You
>> > must have missed it
>> >
>> > I seriously doubt anyone wishes harm on RLB, certainly not me
>> >
>> >
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