Re: Ranger American yahoos.

["Jim Rojas" <jrojas@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

But yet the morons still drill out the sliding doors & the custom made front
doors...same warranty issue....duh!

I use surface mounts myself with the terminal screws. On the front door we
use recessed contacts with terminal screws and a rare earth magnet glued on
the door...no warranty problems, as long as we don't drill the door itself.

Jim Rojas


"Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:44eb58ca$0$25774$815e3792@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Wow..the really good ones eh?
> I don't use recessed on windows anymore either, but I do use nice small
> and
> correctly colored switches that fit the application.
>
>
>
> "Jim Rojas" <jrojas@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:yzDGg.8510$bZ6.8223@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | They pay 45 cents each per contact...They no longer use recessed
> contacts
> on
> | windows due to voiding the window warranty, plus the water leaks over
> time.
> | Not worth the hassle.
> |
> | Jim Rojas
> |
> |
> | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> | news:44eb0424$0$3572$815e3792@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | >A problem with companies that have to use "approved"
> parts/devices...the
> | > contacts they used are so big they don't fit the reveals on the
> windows,
> | > so
> | > they end up sticking the magnets to the glass. Looks lovely on a
> 900,000
> $
> | > house (or any house for that matter).
> | >
> | >
> | >
> | >
> | > "Jim Rojas" <jrojas@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> | > news:HcDGg.8413$bZ6.2664@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > | Yes, they like using that 22/2 zip wire. I tried talking them into
> using
> | > | 22/4 for all new prewires, but of course my suggestion fell on deaf
> | > ears.
> | > | Something to do with saving money... :)
> | > |
> | > | Jim Rojas
> | > |
> | > |
> | > |
> | > | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> | > | news:44ea8b6a$0$3576$815e3792@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > | > phx here....... I just checked one of their prewires...blow &
> go...and
> | > big
> | > | > clunky contacts on the windows they do do...and cheep 2 conductor
> for
> | > | > windows that the do do.
> | > | >
> | > | >
> | > | >
> | > | > "thesatguy" <thesatguy1@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
> | > | > news:zkvGg.12723$ok5.10916@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > | > | houston
> | > | > | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
> message
> | > | > | news:44e9bdec$0$506$815e3792@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > | > | > Thanks!
> | > | > | > Looks like they offer more where you are. Where are you? If
> you
> | > don't
> | > | > | > wanna
> | > | > | > post that just be general.
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > Thanks,
> | > | > | > Rob
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > "thesatguy" <thesatguy1@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
> | > | > | > news:2RcGg.12673$ok5.10821@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > | > | > | In my area they only use that huge dsc home wiring unit and
> it
> | > | > always
> | > | > | > goes
> | > | > | > | in the master bdrm closet.
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | They always wire every opening,
> | > | > | > | There is always a wire in the living room wall for a motion.
> | > | > | > | They do wire the catv outlets, they do wire a cat5 jack in
> most
> | > | > every
> | > | > | > room
> | > | > | > | and they homerun everything back to the home wiring unit.
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | Often times they run wires for additional speakers in the
> living
> | > rm
> | > | > | > ceiling.
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | They wire all the telephone jacks.
> | > | > | > | They only use the dsc 1555's created for them.so you can't
> | > change
> | > | > the
> | > | > | > | default adt installer code.  They are adt's biggest dealer.
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | Usually the jobs are done right and well but that will vary
> by
> | > area.
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | They often do upgrade their systems in new homes but its
> always
> | > a
> | > | > | > 'package'
> | > | > | > | type upgrade.
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | The basic pack includes the prewire and trim out.
> | > | > | > | Upgrade can include:
> | > | > | > | The telco wiring & jacks.
> | > | > | > | The catv wiring & jacks.
> | > | > | > | The cat5 wiring & jacks.
> | > | > | > | Two satellite dish drops is an upgrade.- not included in
> catv
> | > wiring
> | > | > &
> | > | > | > | jacks.
> | > | > | > | The additional ceiling speakers.
> | > | > | > | I have seen them add an additional motion sensor in front
> entry
> | > if
> | > | > there
> | > | > | > is
> | > | > | > | a lot of large glass openings.
> | > | > | > | Never seen them install a glass break although they do offer
> it
> | > as
> | > | > an
> | > | > | > | option.
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | I see their sales van full salesmen at least once a week
> going
> | > to
> | > | > visit
> | > | > | > in
> | > | > | > | my area.
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | They contact home buyers as soon as builder tells them
> somebody
> | > has
> | > | > | > | purchased the home being built and they offer all the other
> | > wiring
> | > | > | > options.
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | In some subdivisions the builder pays for the whole shebang
> for
> | > each
> | > | > | > home
> | > | > | > | and just adds it into the price but many times RA meets with
> | > each
> | > | > client
> | > | > | > | while construction is going on and upsells changes.  Often
> they
> | > call
> | > | > | > | customers every week to remind them they are taking care of
> | > stuff
> | > | > even
> | > | > | > | though customers tell them they don't want their service.
> They
> | > are
> | > | > real
> | > | > | > | pests but of course this is why they are so successful.
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
> | > message
> | > | > | > | news:44e905a3$0$10300$815e3792@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > | > | > | > An long time client of mine is buying a new home. The
> builder
> | > | > won't
> | > | > | > let
> | > | > | > us
> | > | > | > | > wire it, and they don't offer a prewire only. So my client
> | > said
> | > | > fine
> | > | > | > I'll
> | > | > | > | > buy the system and have my company (us) rip it out when I
> move
> | > in.
> | > | > | > What
> | > | > | > am
> | > | > | > | > I
> | > | > | > | > getting for my money? No response. What kind of alarm and
> what
> | > | > | > | > devices/keypads. We don't know, you'll have to call the
> alarm
> | > | > company.
> | > | > | > He
> | > | > | > | > does, about 10 times. Finally, he gets hold of someone in
> | > Florida
> | > | > or
> | > | > | > | > somewhere...What am I getting in my new home with the
> security
> | > | > system
> | > | > | > | > Ranger
> | > | > | > | > Amercian is installing. We don't know..but's it's full
> | > upgradable.
> | > | > | > What
> | > | > | > do
> | > | > | > | > you mean, you don't know what you are installing in my
> home?
> | > We'll
> | > | > | > have
> | > | > | > a
> | > | > | > | > rep call you. The rep calls and HE DOESN'T KNOW EITHER! My
> | > client
> | > | > | > doesn't
> | > | > | > | > know and can't find out if; they are doing all openings
> (up
> | > and
> | > | > down),
> | > | > | > how
> | > | > | > | > many keypads, motions...etc..nada zilch.
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > But get this; they will not upgrade. He wants smokes, and
> CO
> | > | > detector,
> | > | > | > | > extra
> | > | > | > | > motions, glassbreaks in every lower level room (the way I
> | > would
> | > do
> | > | > | > | > it)...they won't do it and they won't prewire for them
> | > either!!!
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > What morons. Just shows you they are interested in the
> money
> | > only,
> | > | > not
> | > | > | > | > what
> | > | > | > | > the client needs or wants.
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > Looks like they are affliated with ADT too.
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > Portion of client's email to me:
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | >  a.. The panel and keypad that they will supply are fully
> | > capable
> | > | > of
> | > | > | > | > handling any upgrade package that we wish (which I don't
> | > believe).
> | > | > | > | >  b.. They have no product information on the equipment
> that
> | > they
> | > | > use,
> | > | > | > nor
> | > | > | > | > can they advise me on how to obtain such information.
> | > | > | > | >  c.. Most disturbingly, she also tells me that XXXXX will
> not
> | > | > allow
> | > | > | > them
> | > | > | > | > to
> | > | > | > | > prewire for any upgrades aside from a second keypad at the
> | > master
> | > | > | > bedroom.
> | > | > | > | > This means that any integration of smoke detectors, CO
> | > detectors,
> | > | > | > glass
> | > | > | > | > break sensors, upstairs perimeter switches on windows,
> garage
> | > | > sensors,
> | > | > | > or
> | > | > | > | > any other items would have to be handled as after-market
> | > options
> | > | > | > between
> | > | > | > | > the
> | > | > | > | > home-owner and the security company.
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > "Jim Rojas" <jrojas@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> | > | > | > | > news:927Gg.4260$JO5.334@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > | > | > | > | Here in Tampa they hire non english speaking imigrants,
> and
> | > pay
> | > | > them
> | > | > | > | > about
> | > | > | > | > | $7 and hour with no benefits. Many of them also drive
> their
> | > own
> | > | > | > personal
> | > | > | > | > | vehicles.
> | > | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | > | Jim Rojas
> | > | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | > | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote
> in
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> | > | > | > | > | news:44e8f6f4$0$3576$815e3792@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > | > | > | > | > One word; Sheesh!
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