Re: Ranger American yahoos.

["Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Wow..the really good ones eh?
I don't use recessed on windows anymore either, but I do use nice small and
correctly colored switches that fit the application.



"Jim Rojas" <jrojas@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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| They pay 45 cents each per contact...They no longer use recessed contacts
on
| windows due to voiding the window warranty, plus the water leaks over
time.
| Not worth the hassle.
|
| Jim Rojas
|
|
| "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| news:44eb0424$0$3572$815e3792@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| >A problem with companies that have to use "approved" parts/devices...the
| > contacts they used are so big they don't fit the reveals on the windows,
| > so
| > they end up sticking the magnets to the glass. Looks lovely on a 900,000
$
| > house (or any house for that matter).
| >
| >
| >
| >
| > "Jim Rojas" <jrojas@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| > news:HcDGg.8413$bZ6.2664@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| > | Yes, they like using that 22/2 zip wire. I tried talking them into
using
| > | 22/4 for all new prewires, but of course my suggestion fell on deaf
| > ears.
| > | Something to do with saving money... :)
| > |
| > | Jim Rojas
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| > | news:44ea8b6a$0$3576$815e3792@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| > | > phx here....... I just checked one of their prewires...blow &
go...and
| > big
| > | > clunky contacts on the windows they do do...and cheep 2 conductor
for
| > | > windows that the do do.
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > "thesatguy" <thesatguy1@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
| > | > news:zkvGg.12723$ok5.10916@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
| > | > | houston
| > | > | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| > | > | news:44e9bdec$0$506$815e3792@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| > | > | > Thanks!
| > | > | > Looks like they offer more where you are. Where are you? If you
| > don't
| > | > | > wanna
| > | > | > post that just be general.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Thanks,
| > | > | > Rob
| > | > | >
| > | > | > "thesatguy" <thesatguy1@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
| > | > | > news:2RcGg.12673$ok5.10821@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
| > | > | > | In my area they only use that huge dsc home wiring unit and it
| > | > always
| > | > | > goes
| > | > | > | in the master bdrm closet.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | They always wire every opening,
| > | > | > | There is always a wire in the living room wall for a motion.
| > | > | > | They do wire the catv outlets, they do wire a cat5 jack in
most
| > | > every
| > | > | > room
| > | > | > | and they homerun everything back to the home wiring unit.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | Often times they run wires for additional speakers in the
living
| > rm
| > | > | > ceiling.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | They wire all the telephone jacks.
| > | > | > | They only use the dsc 1555's created for them.so you can't
| > change
| > | > the
| > | > | > | default adt installer code.  They are adt's biggest dealer.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | Usually the jobs are done right and well but that will vary by
| > area.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | They often do upgrade their systems in new homes but its
always
| > a
| > | > | > 'package'
| > | > | > | type upgrade.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | The basic pack includes the prewire and trim out.
| > | > | > | Upgrade can include:
| > | > | > | The telco wiring & jacks.
| > | > | > | The catv wiring & jacks.
| > | > | > | The cat5 wiring & jacks.
| > | > | > | Two satellite dish drops is an upgrade.- not included in catv
| > wiring
| > | > &
| > | > | > | jacks.
| > | > | > | The additional ceiling speakers.
| > | > | > | I have seen them add an additional motion sensor in front
entry
| > if
| > | > there
| > | > | > is
| > | > | > | a lot of large glass openings.
| > | > | > | Never seen them install a glass break although they do offer
it
| > as
| > | > an
| > | > | > | option.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | I see their sales van full salesmen at least once a week going
| > to
| > | > visit
| > | > | > in
| > | > | > | my area.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | They contact home buyers as soon as builder tells them
somebody
| > has
| > | > | > | purchased the home being built and they offer all the other
| > wiring
| > | > | > options.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | In some subdivisions the builder pays for the whole shebang
for
| > each
| > | > | > home
| > | > | > | and just adds it into the price but many times RA meets with
| > each
| > | > client
| > | > | > | while construction is going on and upsells changes.  Often
they
| > call
| > | > | > | customers every week to remind them they are taking care of
| > stuff
| > | > even
| > | > | > | though customers tell them they don't want their service.
They
| > are
| > | > real
| > | > | > | pests but of course this is why they are so successful.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
| > message
| > | > | > | news:44e905a3$0$10300$815e3792@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| > | > | > | > An long time client of mine is buying a new home. The
builder
| > | > won't
| > | > | > let
| > | > | > us
| > | > | > | > wire it, and they don't offer a prewire only. So my client
| > said
| > | > fine
| > | > | > I'll
| > | > | > | > buy the system and have my company (us) rip it out when I
move
| > in.
| > | > | > What
| > | > | > am
| > | > | > | > I
| > | > | > | > getting for my money? No response. What kind of alarm and
what
| > | > | > | > devices/keypads. We don't know, you'll have to call the
alarm
| > | > company.
| > | > | > He
| > | > | > | > does, about 10 times. Finally, he gets hold of someone in
| > Florida
| > | > or
| > | > | > | > somewhere...What am I getting in my new home with the
security
| > | > system
| > | > | > | > Ranger
| > | > | > | > Amercian is installing. We don't know..but's it's full
| > upgradable.
| > | > | > What
| > | > | > do
| > | > | > | > you mean, you don't know what you are installing in my home?
| > We'll
| > | > | > have
| > | > | > a
| > | > | > | > rep call you. The rep calls and HE DOESN'T KNOW EITHER! My
| > client
| > | > | > doesn't
| > | > | > | > know and can't find out if; they are doing all openings (up
| > and
| > | > down),
| > | > | > how
| > | > | > | > many keypads, motions...etc..nada zilch.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > But get this; they will not upgrade. He wants smokes, and CO
| > | > detector,
| > | > | > | > extra
| > | > | > | > motions, glassbreaks in every lower level room (the way I
| > would
| > do
| > | > | > | > it)...they won't do it and they won't prewire for them
| > either!!!
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > What morons. Just shows you they are interested in the money
| > only,
| > | > not
| > | > | > | > what
| > | > | > | > the client needs or wants.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > Looks like they are affliated with ADT too.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > Portion of client's email to me:
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | >  a.. The panel and keypad that they will supply are fully
| > capable
| > | > of
| > | > | > | > handling any upgrade package that we wish (which I don't
| > believe).
| > | > | > | >  b.. They have no product information on the equipment that
| > they
| > | > use,
| > | > | > nor
| > | > | > | > can they advise me on how to obtain such information.
| > | > | > | >  c.. Most disturbingly, she also tells me that XXXXX will
not
| > | > allow
| > | > | > them
| > | > | > | > to
| > | > | > | > prewire for any upgrades aside from a second keypad at the
| > master
| > | > | > bedroom.
| > | > | > | > This means that any integration of smoke detectors, CO
| > detectors,
| > | > | > glass
| > | > | > | > break sensors, upstairs perimeter switches on windows,
garage
| > | > sensors,
| > | > | > or
| > | > | > | > any other items would have to be handled as after-market
| > options
| > | > | > between
| > | > | > | > the
| > | > | > | > home-owner and the security company.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > "Jim Rojas" <jrojas@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| > | > | > | > news:927Gg.4260$JO5.334@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| > | > | > | > | Here in Tampa they hire non english speaking imigrants,
and
| > pay
| > | > them
| > | > | > | > about
| > | > | > | > | $7 and hour with no benefits. Many of them also drive
their
| > own
| > | > | > personal
| > | > | > | > | vehicles.
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | Jim Rojas
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
| > | > message
| > | > | > | > | news:44e8f6f4$0$3576$815e3792@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| > | > | > | > | > One word; Sheesh!
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