Re: Ranger American yahoos.

["Jim Rojas" <jrojas@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

They pay 45 cents each per contact...They no longer use recessed contacts on
windows due to voiding the window warranty, plus the water leaks over time.
Not worth the hassle.

Jim Rojas


"Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:44eb0424$0$3572$815e3792@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>A problem with companies that have to use "approved" parts/devices...the
> contacts they used are so big they don't fit the reveals on the windows,
> so
> they end up sticking the magnets to the glass. Looks lovely on a 900,000 $
> house (or any house for that matter).
>
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> "Jim Rojas" <jrojas@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:HcDGg.8413$bZ6.2664@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | Yes, they like using that 22/2 zip wire. I tried talking them into using
> | 22/4 for all new prewires, but of course my suggestion fell on deaf
> ears.
> | Something to do with saving money... :)
> |
> | Jim Rojas
> |
> |
> |
> | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> | news:44ea8b6a$0$3576$815e3792@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > phx here....... I just checked one of their prewires...blow & go...and
> big
> | > clunky contacts on the windows they do do...and cheep 2 conductor for
> | > windows that the do do.
> | >
> | >
> | >
> | > "thesatguy" <thesatguy1@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
> | > news:zkvGg.12723$ok5.10916@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > | houston
> | > | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> | > | news:44e9bdec$0$506$815e3792@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > | > Thanks!
> | > | > Looks like they offer more where you are. Where are you? If you
> don't
> | > | > wanna
> | > | > post that just be general.
> | > | >
> | > | > Thanks,
> | > | > Rob
> | > | >
> | > | > "thesatguy" <thesatguy1@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
> | > | > news:2RcGg.12673$ok5.10821@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > | > | In my area they only use that huge dsc home wiring unit and it
> | > always
> | > | > goes
> | > | > | in the master bdrm closet.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | They always wire every opening,
> | > | > | There is always a wire in the living room wall for a motion.
> | > | > | They do wire the catv outlets, they do wire a cat5 jack in most
> | > every
> | > | > room
> | > | > | and they homerun everything back to the home wiring unit.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | Often times they run wires for additional speakers in the living
> rm
> | > | > ceiling.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | They wire all the telephone jacks.
> | > | > | They only use the dsc 1555's created for them.so you can't
> change
> | > the
> | > | > | default adt installer code.  They are adt's biggest dealer.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | Usually the jobs are done right and well but that will vary by
> area.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | They often do upgrade their systems in new homes but its always
> a
> | > | > 'package'
> | > | > | type upgrade.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | The basic pack includes the prewire and trim out.
> | > | > | Upgrade can include:
> | > | > | The telco wiring & jacks.
> | > | > | The catv wiring & jacks.
> | > | > | The cat5 wiring & jacks.
> | > | > | Two satellite dish drops is an upgrade.- not included in catv
> wiring
> | > &
> | > | > | jacks.
> | > | > | The additional ceiling speakers.
> | > | > | I have seen them add an additional motion sensor in front entry
> if
> | > there
> | > | > is
> | > | > | a lot of large glass openings.
> | > | > | Never seen them install a glass break although they do offer it
> as
> | > an
> | > | > | option.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | I see their sales van full salesmen at least once a week going
> to
> | > visit
> | > | > in
> | > | > | my area.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | They contact home buyers as soon as builder tells them somebody
> has
> | > | > | purchased the home being built and they offer all the other
> wiring
> | > | > options.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | In some subdivisions the builder pays for the whole shebang for
> each
> | > | > home
> | > | > | and just adds it into the price but many times RA meets with
> each
> | > client
> | > | > | while construction is going on and upsells changes.  Often they
> call
> | > | > | customers every week to remind them they are taking care of
> stuff
> | > even
> | > | > | though customers tell them they don't want their service.  They
> are
> | > real
> | > | > | pests but of course this is why they are so successful.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
> message
> | > | > | news:44e905a3$0$10300$815e3792@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > | > | > An long time client of mine is buying a new home. The builder
> | > won't
> | > | > let
> | > | > us
> | > | > | > wire it, and they don't offer a prewire only. So my client
> said
> | > fine
> | > | > I'll
> | > | > | > buy the system and have my company (us) rip it out when I move
> in.
> | > | > What
> | > | > am
> | > | > | > I
> | > | > | > getting for my money? No response. What kind of alarm and what
> | > | > | > devices/keypads. We don't know, you'll have to call the alarm
> | > company.
> | > | > He
> | > | > | > does, about 10 times. Finally, he gets hold of someone in
> Florida
> | > or
> | > | > | > somewhere...What am I getting in my new home with the security
> | > system
> | > | > | > Ranger
> | > | > | > Amercian is installing. We don't know..but's it's full
> upgradable.
> | > | > What
> | > | > do
> | > | > | > you mean, you don't know what you are installing in my home?
> We'll
> | > | > have
> | > | > a
> | > | > | > rep call you. The rep calls and HE DOESN'T KNOW EITHER! My
> client
> | > | > doesn't
> | > | > | > know and can't find out if; they are doing all openings (up
> and
> | > down),
> | > | > how
> | > | > | > many keypads, motions...etc..nada zilch.
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > But get this; they will not upgrade. He wants smokes, and CO
> | > detector,
> | > | > | > extra
> | > | > | > motions, glassbreaks in every lower level room (the way I
> would
> do
> | > | > | > it)...they won't do it and they won't prewire for them
> either!!!
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > What morons. Just shows you they are interested in the money
> only,
> | > not
> | > | > | > what
> | > | > | > the client needs or wants.
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > Looks like they are affliated with ADT too.
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > Portion of client's email to me:
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | >  a.. The panel and keypad that they will supply are fully
> capable
> | > of
> | > | > | > handling any upgrade package that we wish (which I don't
> believe).
> | > | > | >  b.. They have no product information on the equipment that
> they
> | > use,
> | > | > nor
> | > | > | > can they advise me on how to obtain such information.
> | > | > | >  c.. Most disturbingly, she also tells me that XXXXX will not
> | > allow
> | > | > them
> | > | > | > to
> | > | > | > prewire for any upgrades aside from a second keypad at the
> master
> | > | > bedroom.
> | > | > | > This means that any integration of smoke detectors, CO
> detectors,
> | > | > glass
> | > | > | > break sensors, upstairs perimeter switches on windows, garage
> | > sensors,
> | > | > or
> | > | > | > any other items would have to be handled as after-market
> options
> | > | > between
> | > | > | > the
> | > | > | > home-owner and the security company.
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > "Jim Rojas" <jrojas@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> | > | > | > news:927Gg.4260$JO5.334@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > | > | > | Here in Tampa they hire non english speaking imigrants, and
> pay
> | > them
> | > | > | > about
> | > | > | > | $7 and hour with no benefits. Many of them also drive their
> own
> | > | > personal
> | > | > | > | vehicles.
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | Jim Rojas
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
> | > message
> | > | > | > | news:44e8f6f4$0$3576$815e3792@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > | > | > | > One word; Sheesh!
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