Re: Ranger American yahoos.

["Jim Rojas" <jrojas@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Yes, they like using that 22/2 zip wire. I tried talking them into using
22/4 for all new prewires, but of course my suggestion fell on deaf ears.
Something to do with saving money... :)

Jim Rojas



"Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> phx here....... I just checked one of their prewires...blow & go...and big
> clunky contacts on the windows they do do...and cheep 2 conductor for
> windows that the do do.
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> "thesatguy" <thesatguy1@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:zkvGg.12723$ok5.10916@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | houston
> | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> | news:44e9bdec$0$506$815e3792@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > Thanks!
> | > Looks like they offer more where you are. Where are you? If you don't
> | > wanna
> | > post that just be general.
> | >
> | > Thanks,
> | > Rob
> | >
> | > "thesatguy" <thesatguy1@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
> | > news:2RcGg.12673$ok5.10821@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > | In my area they only use that huge dsc home wiring unit and it
> always
> | > goes
> | > | in the master bdrm closet.
> | > |
> | > | They always wire every opening,
> | > | There is always a wire in the living room wall for a motion.
> | > | They do wire the catv outlets, they do wire a cat5 jack in most
> every
> | > room
> | > | and they homerun everything back to the home wiring unit.
> | > |
> | > | Often times they run wires for additional speakers in the living rm
> | > ceiling.
> | > |
> | > | They wire all the telephone jacks.
> | > | They only use the dsc 1555's created for them.so you can't change
> the
> | > | default adt installer code.  They are adt's biggest dealer.
> | > |
> | > | Usually the jobs are done right and well but that will vary by area.
> | > |
> | > | They often do upgrade their systems in new homes but its always a
> | > 'package'
> | > | type upgrade.
> | > |
> | > | The basic pack includes the prewire and trim out.
> | > | Upgrade can include:
> | > | The telco wiring & jacks.
> | > | The catv wiring & jacks.
> | > | The cat5 wiring & jacks.
> | > | Two satellite dish drops is an upgrade.- not included in catv wiring
> &
> | > | jacks.
> | > | The additional ceiling speakers.
> | > | I have seen them add an additional motion sensor in front entry if
> there
> | > is
> | > | a lot of large glass openings.
> | > | Never seen them install a glass break although they do offer it as
> an
> | > | option.
> | > |
> | > | I see their sales van full salesmen at least once a week going to
> visit
> | > in
> | > | my area.
> | > |
> | > | They contact home buyers as soon as builder tells them somebody has
> | > | purchased the home being built and they offer all the other wiring
> | > options.
> | > |
> | > | In some subdivisions the builder pays for the whole shebang for each
> | > home
> | > | and just adds it into the price but many times RA meets with each
> client
> | > | while construction is going on and upsells changes.  Often they call
> | > | customers every week to remind them they are taking care of stuff
> even
> | > | though customers tell them they don't want their service.  They are
> real
> | > | pests but of course this is why they are so successful.
> | > |
> | > | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> | > | news:44e905a3$0$10300$815e3792@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > | > An long time client of mine is buying a new home. The builder
> won't
> | > let
> | > us
> | > | > wire it, and they don't offer a prewire only. So my client said
> fine
> | > I'll
> | > | > buy the system and have my company (us) rip it out when I move in.
> | > What
> | > am
> | > | > I
> | > | > getting for my money? No response. What kind of alarm and what
> | > | > devices/keypads. We don't know, you'll have to call the alarm
> company.
> | > He
> | > | > does, about 10 times. Finally, he gets hold of someone in Florida
> or
> | > | > somewhere...What am I getting in my new home with the security
> system
> | > | > Ranger
> | > | > Amercian is installing. We don't know..but's it's full upgradable.
> | > What
> | > do
> | > | > you mean, you don't know what you are installing in my home? We'll
> | > have
> | > a
> | > | > rep call you. The rep calls and HE DOESN'T KNOW EITHER! My client
> | > doesn't
> | > | > know and can't find out if; they are doing all openings (up and
> down),
> | > how
> | > | > many keypads, motions...etc..nada zilch.
> | > | >
> | > | > But get this; they will not upgrade. He wants smokes, and CO
> detector,
> | > | > extra
> | > | > motions, glassbreaks in every lower level room (the way I would do
> | > | > it)...they won't do it and they won't prewire for them either!!!
> | > | >
> | > | > What morons. Just shows you they are interested in the money only,
> not
> | > | > what
> | > | > the client needs or wants.
> | > | >
> | > | > Looks like they are affliated with ADT too.
> | > | >
> | > | > Portion of client's email to me:
> | > | >
> | > | >  a.. The panel and keypad that they will supply are fully capable
> of
> | > | > handling any upgrade package that we wish (which I don't believe).
> | > | >  b.. They have no product information on the equipment that they
> use,
> | > nor
> | > | > can they advise me on how to obtain such information.
> | > | >  c.. Most disturbingly, she also tells me that XXXXX will not
> allow
> | > them
> | > | > to
> | > | > prewire for any upgrades aside from a second keypad at the master
> | > bedroom.
> | > | > This means that any integration of smoke detectors, CO detectors,
> | > glass
> | > | > break sensors, upstairs perimeter switches on windows, garage
> sensors,
> | > or
> | > | > any other items would have to be handled as after-market options
> | > between
> | > | > the
> | > | > home-owner and the security company.
> | > | >
> | > | >
> | > | > "Jim Rojas" <jrojas@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> | > | > news:927Gg.4260$JO5.334@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > | > | Here in Tampa they hire non english speaking imigrants, and pay
> them
> | > | > about
> | > | > | $7 and hour with no benefits. Many of them also drive their own
> | > personal
> | > | > | vehicles.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | Jim Rojas
> | > | > |
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> | > | > | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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