Re: And Now for something completely different!!!

[RTS <gafa@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 11/3/2022 9:38 PM, Jim Davis wrote:
> On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 4:26:03 PM UTC-4, ABLE1 wrote:
>> On 11/3/2022 3:29 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>> On 11/2/2022 6:06 PM, Jim Davis wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 9:06:33 PM UTC-4, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>>> On 11/1/2022 4:11 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/1/2022 1:02 PM, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/1/2022 3:18 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 11/1/2022 11:45 AM, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hey guys!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am having challenge and thought I would reach out to
>>>>>>>>> get some quality input!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am in need of a small programmable keypad that would have
>>>>>>>>> a single N/C relay contact that is Weather resistant.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That is Battery Operated.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I know! I know!! The Battery Operated part is the tough part.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But............... maybe someone could give a hint of who
>>>>>>>>> might make something close.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Any thoughts??
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> IEI used to have some decent weatheproof keypads that are 12V, but
>>>>>>>> like you said... battery.  I can see why you might not be able to
>>>>>>>> share more of the application, but an idea of estimated usage, idle
>>>>>>>> current, active current, any secondary current, cycle frequency...
>>>>>>>> might give you some quidelines as to whether you could get away with
>>>>>>>> something like a gell in a box. Or a gell in a box with a solar
>>>>>>>> charger.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I once ran an entire alarm panel with cellular off a 60 watt panel
>>>>>>>> using a small rack of gells and an inverter.  Several of them
>>>>>>>> actually in unpowered model homes.  Of course I have the privilege of
>>>>>>>> living in a place where a restaurant once advertised free meals any
>>>>>>>> day the sun doesn't shine.  They paid off once, but technically they
>>>>>>>> didn't have to.   The sun broke through just before sunset.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Bob,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is for a AirB&B to give access to the building.  There is no
>>>>>>> available power source.  And in trying to get wire there would need
>>>>>>> at least 2 Quarter Sticks of Dynamite.   The usage would be maybe
>>>>>>> four time a day when occupied.  A GelCell would work but then the box
>>>>>>> would need to be of an undesirable size.  I was thinking if there was
>>>>>>> a keypad maybe a 2x4 box with a 3 Volt Lithium would last maybe
>>>>>>> 6 months could do the job.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are a lot of factors to make this work.  But, if only someone
>>>>>>> would have said 2 years ago to plan for a AirB&B for this unit life
>>>>>>> would be so MUCH easier.  For now the plan is to use a key in a lock
>>>>>>> box on the door knob.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I had looked at IEI Linear before but there does not seem to be one
>>>>>>> that fits the bill.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for the almost hint!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How about a regular digital entry lock.  You can buy one at Home Depot
>>>>>> or Amazon.  Maybe WalMart and certainly eBay.  I bet even ADI has one.
>>>>>> Tri-Ed might have one, but they would send you something else, say it
>>>>>> was your fault, and then refuse to sell to you again if you complain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Funny.  I just saw Anixter owns Tri-Ed now.  I wonder if they are upto
>>>>>> Anixter service levels now, or if Tri-Ed dragged Anixter down to their
>>>>>> level.  I used to buy some government spec data products from Anixter.
>>>>> Yes, one of those digital entry locks would work if it wasn't for the
>>>>> new panic hardware installed on the door. Well maybe, I am not going
>>>>> to get involved with trying to find something that will match up
>>>>> properly. I actually have a Aiphone Apartment access GT series that is
>>>>> connected to a door strike. The problem is that when I wired it there
>>>>> was no pathway for pulling additional wires. So the 24vdc digital
>>>>> wire that does all the power and communication for the call stations
>>>>> can't be used to power anything else.
>>>>>
>>>>> My thinking is that if I had a battery operated keypad w/ relay I could
>>>>> connect in parallel to the Aiphone relay to the strike.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe I need to figure out a way to get a clean 12vdc wire to the
>>>>> keypad. It is finding a good 120vac source that can be used for a
>>>>> easily/properly 12vdc wall wart installed.
>>>>>
>>>>> I need to spend more time on site to think this out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Later,
>>>>>
>>>>> Les
>>>>
>>>> Just saying but wont any kind of out door accessory keypad expose the
>>>> building to unauthorized entry to anyone with just a little bit of
>>>> knowledge about relays etc ?
>>>>
>>>> Don't you think?
>>>>
>>>> You'd need a secure box to mount it on and rugged mounting for the box
>>>> and security screws on the keypad, metal pipe or otherwise protected
>>>> wires to solar or other power protected too.  $ $ $
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like a source of "worms" to me.
>>>
>>>
>>> No.  A keypad tied to an access control system that sends Weigand or
>>> other data to instruct the control to operate a relay located inside the
>>> access controller rather than outside at the door will not expose the
>>> site to such a simple attack.  However, admittedly this does not sound
>>> like what Able1 is talking about.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Well the problem has been solved...........
>>
>> ......................to a point until I get it done!!!
>>
>> At the Rear Door I will need to run outside conduit from a box that will
>> have 120vac receptacle with the needed power supply to provide 24vdc to
>> the Exterior Call Box. This will feed the Aiphone GT-NSB Display Module
>> and GT-10K Keypad properly.
>>
>> As for the Front Door I will need to tear out the "NEW" baseboard
>> molding to expose access to the basement as well as a portion of the
>> "NEW" wallboard to pull a new wire through from the Exterior Call Box
>> down to the basement panel to the needed power supply. Then somebody
>> will have to make Beautifarkel repairs & painting to the big hole.
>>
>> The typing above was rather simple!! Doing it will NOT BE as simple!!
>>
>> It is what the customer wants so, I will do my best to accommodate. ;-)
>>
>> And they will monetarily compensate me!!!!
>>
>> Les
>
> Yeah - - -  sure.
> That's what  " I " always say too.

just did a quick search and came up with this..

https://ghostcontrols.com/products/axwk

Never heard of them but might work for what your thinking...
not sure about the receiver though...
RTS
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