Re: And Now for something completely different!!!

[Jim Davis <Madno@xxxxxxx>]

On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 4:26:03 PM UTC-4, ABLE1 wrote:
> On 11/3/2022 3:29 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
> > On 11/2/2022 6:06 PM, Jim Davis wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 9:06:33 PM UTC-4, ABLE1 wrote:
> >>> On 11/1/2022 4:11 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
> >>>> On 11/1/2022 1:02 PM, ABLE1 wrote:
> >>>>> On 11/1/2022 3:18 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
> >>>>>> On 11/1/2022 11:45 AM, ABLE1 wrote:
> >>>>>>> Hey guys!!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I am having challenge and thought I would reach out to
> >>>>>>> get some quality input!!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I am in need of a small programmable keypad that would have
> >>>>>>> a single N/C relay contact that is Weather resistant.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> That is Battery Operated.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I know! I know!! The Battery Operated part is the tough part.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> But............... maybe someone could give a hint of who
> >>>>>>> might make something close.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Any thoughts??
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Les
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> IEI used to have some decent weatheproof keypads that are 12V, but
> >>>>>> like you said... battery.  I can see why you might not be able to
> >>>>>> share more of the application, but an idea of estimated usage, idle
> >>>>>> current, active current, any secondary current, cycle frequency...
> >>>>>> might give you some quidelines as to whether you could get away with
> >>>>>> something like a gell in a box. Or a gell in a box with a solar
> >>>>>> charger.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I once ran an entire alarm panel with cellular off a 60 watt panel
> >>>>>> using a small rack of gells and an inverter.  Several of them
> >>>>>> actually in unpowered model homes.  Of course I have the privilege of
> >>>>>> living in a place where a restaurant once advertised free meals any
> >>>>>> day the sun doesn't shine.  They paid off once, but technically they
> >>>>>> didn't have to.   The sun broke through just before sunset.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi Bob,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This is for a AirB&B to give access to the building.  There is no
> >>>>> available power source.  And in trying to get wire there would need
> >>>>> at least 2 Quarter Sticks of Dynamite.   The usage would be maybe
> >>>>> four time a day when occupied.  A GelCell would work but then the box
> >>>>> would need to be of an undesirable size.  I was thinking if there was
> >>>>> a keypad maybe a 2x4 box with a 3 Volt Lithium would last maybe
> >>>>> 6 months could do the job.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There are a lot of factors to make this work.  But, if only someone
> >>>>> would have said 2 years ago to plan for a AirB&B for this unit life
> >>>>> would be so MUCH easier.  For now the plan is to use a key in a lock
> >>>>> box on the door knob.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I had looked at IEI Linear before but there does not seem to be one
> >>>>> that fits the bill.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks for the almost hint!!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Les
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> How about a regular digital entry lock.  You can buy one at Home Depot
> >>>> or Amazon.  Maybe WalMart and certainly eBay.  I bet even ADI has one.
> >>>> Tri-Ed might have one, but they would send you something else, say it
> >>>> was your fault, and then refuse to sell to you again if you complain.
> >>>>
> >>>> Funny.  I just saw Anixter owns Tri-Ed now.  I wonder if they are upto
> >>>> Anixter service levels now, or if Tri-Ed dragged Anixter down to their
> >>>> level.  I used to buy some government spec data products from Anixter.
> >>> Yes, one of those digital entry locks would work if it wasn't for the
> >>> new panic hardware installed on the door. Well maybe, I am not going
> >>> to get involved with trying to find something that will match up
> >>> properly. I actually have a Aiphone Apartment access GT series that is
> >>> connected to a door strike. The problem is that when I wired it there
> >>> was no pathway for pulling additional wires. So the 24vdc digital
> >>> wire that does all the power and communication for the call stations
> >>> can't be used to power anything else.
> >>>
> >>> My thinking is that if I had a battery operated keypad w/ relay I could
> >>> connect in parallel to the Aiphone relay to the strike.
> >>>
> >>> Maybe I need to figure out a way to get a clean 12vdc wire to the
> >>> keypad. It is finding a good 120vac source that can be used for a
> >>> easily/properly 12vdc wall wart installed.
> >>>
> >>> I need to spend more time on site to think this out.
> >>>
> >>> Later,
> >>>
> >>> Les
> >>
> >> Just saying but wont any kind of out door accessory keypad expose the
> >> building to unauthorized entry to anyone with just a little bit of
> >> knowledge about relays etc ?
> >>
> >> Don't you think?
> >>
> >> You'd need a secure box to mount it on and rugged mounting for the box
> >> and security screws on the keypad, metal pipe or otherwise protected
> >> wires to solar or other power protected too.  $ $ $
> >>
> >> Sounds like a source of "worms" to me.
> >
> >
> > No.  A keypad tied to an access control system that sends Weigand or
> > other data to instruct the control to operate a relay located inside the
> > access controller rather than outside at the door will not expose the
> > site to such a simple attack.  However, admittedly this does not sound
> > like what Able1 is talking about.
> >
> >
> >
> Well the problem has been solved...........
>
> ......................to a point until I get it done!!!
>
> At the Rear Door I will need to run outside conduit from a box that will
> have 120vac receptacle with the needed power supply to provide 24vdc to
> the Exterior Call Box. This will feed the Aiphone GT-NSB Display Module
> and GT-10K Keypad properly.
>
> As for the Front Door I will need to tear out the "NEW" baseboard
> molding to expose access to the basement as well as a portion of the
> "NEW" wallboard to pull a new wire through from the Exterior Call Box
> down to the basement panel to the needed power supply. Then somebody
> will have to make Beautifarkel repairs & painting to the big hole.
>
> The typing above was rather simple!! Doing it will NOT BE as simple!!
>
> It is what the customer wants so, I will do my best to accommodate. ;-)
>
> And they will monetarily compensate me!!!!
>
> Les

Yeah - - -  sure.
That's what  " I " always say too.