Re: Just for discussion.

[RTS <gafa@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 7/21/2020 8:06 PM, ABLE1 wrote:
> On 7/21/2020 8:58 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>> On 7/21/2020 5:48 PM, ABLE1 wrote:
>>> On 7/21/2020 6:57 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>> On 7/21/2020 2:31 PM, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>>> On 7/21/2020 4:13 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/21/2020 12:35 PM, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/21/2020 3:07 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/21/2020 11:20 AM, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/21/2020 2:10 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/21/2020 9:01 AM, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/21/2020 11:18 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/20/2020 4:06 PM, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/20/2020 12:12 PM, RTS wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/20/2020 7:19 AM, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/20/2020 12:51 AM, Jim Davis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 19, 2020 at 1:20:58 PM UTC-4, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all, no matter how few!!  :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The other day I received a call from a customer that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> morning a police officer showed up and asked if there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was a problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The office manager said; "No, I just got here at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office 20 minutes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ago.  The officer said; "County Control received a call
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from a phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> number here with no one on the other end when answered."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Turns out the number that called 911 was their Fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> number. I was called
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to investigate what may have happened.  The Fax number
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is also used for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Line #2 to the Fire Panel.  The line used is a POTS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line and there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is an outside Demarc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After it was determined that it was the Fax the Office
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manager turned
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the machine off.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I arrived I checked the line and all was as it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be. Only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two devices connected to the line, Fax and Fire Panel.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I tested
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the line to my cell to verify the number.  I checked
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Demarc and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all looked and worked as it should.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I connected my Butt Set at the Fax Machine and put on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaker. Turned
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it on and nothing.  Then sent a Fax to my office, Ok.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I called the County Control Center and talked to a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Supervisor who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> verified just one call at 7:51am.  He had their Tech
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guy call me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> later.  Basically we determined it to be an unsolved
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mystery.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Although I did express a theory that would fit the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scenario.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===============================================================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A teenage snot that just wanted to have fun took a old
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corded
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phone and opened up the Demarc box and plugged into the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> port.  Dialed 911 and after the first ring hung up. Closed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the box and hid behind a bush snickering.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==============================================================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Tech Guy liked that 'maybe' but then told me a true
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> story about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a tomato.  Officer was dispatched a house with a active
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> number that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called 911.  Approached and asked the lady of the house
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who was out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in her garden if everything was ok??  She said yes, why??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Officer explained and they went into the house to check
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the phone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What was found was a tomato sitting on the window sill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> far to long,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had started to leak juice.  The juice trail went down
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the wall and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> onto the phone sitting below.  Juice got into the phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and shorted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out the 9 & 1 on the DTMF pad and made the call.  WOW!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tomato and phone were placed in the trash bin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, that is the start of the discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone care to contribute??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One question leading to one very remote possibility is:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does the CS telephone number have nines and or ones in it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Another question leading to another remote possibility is"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm thinking that if it's a DTMF line that it probably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also has rotary dial capability.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Land lines are becoming more and more of a problem as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the telcos ignore them and as they try to switch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone to fiber or cellular.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe an intermittent connection (?) coincedently and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ultimately dialed 911. Any crackling or static on the line?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And ya know?  I've always had this bad feeling about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tomatoes. Ya know?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just something about them -------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But celery on the other hand -------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did not hear any crackling or static on the line.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, then again I am on the deaf side of things with high
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frequency
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hearing loss.  However, it is something I should check
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different ear sometime.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did ask the question about the back numbers to 911.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Was told that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there were at least 10 or so that would get there.  Was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not told
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what they were.  Either way with just a Fax and the Fire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> panel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connected to the line it does seem a bit odd for a 3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> digit or a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10 digit number to be dialed in some way to get through.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tomato or no tomato.  ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd blame the local telco,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had one here which cross connected over a hundred lines
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different towns.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Talk about old style party lines......
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It seemed that the 2 towns were serviced by the same telco
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> switch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> house..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> An in-house cable upgrade was the cause,  they had cross
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connected the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lines when changing out the old cable and the tech
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "forgot" to remove
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the old cable from the ckts..  (or so they said)    LOL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RTS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, good point Rocky,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been in buildings that have had phone company punch
>>>>>>>>>>>>> down blocks
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with Teclo lines there that were for another building.  The
>>>>>>>>>>>>> numbers were
>>>>>>>>>>>>> totally unrelated to the in house business.  Telco just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> used it as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> splice block for the area.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been in a lot of businesses like that.  Where the
>>>>>>>>>>>> entire cable down an alley is brought into every building on
>>>>>>>>>>>> that street.  Its annoying as hell, but it does allow for
>>>>>>>>>>>> easier redistribution of resources as businesses change.  It
>>>>>>>>>>>> also allows for savy people to eavesdrop on conversations
>>>>>>>>>>>> and/or steal service with little effort. I don't recall the
>>>>>>>>>>>> details, but some couple decades ago there was a federal
>>>>>>>>>>>> regulation change that phone companies had to make it easier
>>>>>>>>>>>> for fed to execute wiretaps.  I don't recall all the
>>>>>>>>>>>> details, but that was around the same time I stared seeing a
>>>>>>>>>>>> lot of 50 and 100 pair cables looped into new buildings and
>>>>>>>>>>>> new plant improvements projects. I always thought the two
>>>>>>>>>>>> were connected. With the newer digital CO switches I always
>>>>>>>>>>>> wondered why they just didn't have a data link into the COs.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Some rural exchanges still had mechanical switches at the
>>>>>>>>>>>> time though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Bob,
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the extra Tidd Bits, I just knew you would contribute
>>>>>>>>>>> some good stuff!!  It would seem that we ALL have seen the
>>>>>>>>>>> loop holes.
>>>>>>>>>>> I had a day "waaaaay back" that I was out in the country and
>>>>>>>>>>> no payphones around and I needed to make a phone call.  I was
>>>>>>>>>>> soooooo
>>>>>>>>>>> tempted to pop open Demarc on the nearest house, hook up my
>>>>>>>>>>> Butt Set and make the call.  BUT, I controlled myself!!!!  I
>>>>>>>>>>> am sure I wasn't the
>>>>>>>>>>> first to have the thought.  I am sure it has happened.....
>>>>>>>>>>> somewhere!!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't help of course that you can buy a butt set at Home
>>>>>>>>>> Depot or Lowes these days.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Absolute agreement!!!
>>>>>>>>> Which adds to the scenario I posed being a possibility!!  :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is another more sinister if probably unlikely possibility.
>>>>>>>> The cops wanted a look around and made it up.  How legit is the
>>>>>>>> client?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Remember it is not against the law for them to lie to you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LOL Really??  The cops will/can actually do that??
>>>>>>> I see the makings of a new movie..................
>>>>>>> I guess anything is possible...............
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTWÂ  This Fax (number) is in a local town borough office.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep.  They can and will although usually you only hear about it in
>>>>>> an interrogation.  Sometimes they will do it to try and get you to
>>>>>> doubt your own memory.  "Oh, I've been with the department since
>>>>>> 19xx, and no officer by that name ever existed.  Certainly not at
>>>>>> the rank and position you claim."Â  No shit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob,
>>>>> Hmmmmmmm sounds like you were on the wrong end of the stick.
>>>>> And you remember it well!! Sorry to hear.  It is too bad that
>>>>> kind of stuff has to happen.
>>>>>
>>>>> But, then again it is unlikely it will never change given the
>>>>> condition of the human psychic.  We can wish for better, doesn't
>>>>> mean we will ever get it.  Years ago I had purchased some furniture
>>>>> from a guy I worked with.  Found out later that he was arrested for
>>>>> property theft.
>>>>>
>>>>> I reported to State Police that I had two pieces and wanted to get
>>>>> them
>>>>> out of my apartment.  Was asked by the officer on the case to come to
>>>>> the police barracks to make the report.  Turns out that two detectives
>>>>> started to imply that I was involved in the theft or I should have
>>>>> known
>>>>> the furniture was hot because of the low price that paid. It was about
>>>>> time my button got pushed.  I gave them a piece of my mind, demanded
>>>>> that they get the furniture removed from my apartment and walked out.
>>>>> I ended up calling again in two weeks and told the detective that
>>>>> if the
>>>>> stuff was not picked up that day I was going to put it out in the
>>>>> parking lot and they can come by at any time to get it.  He was there
>>>>> within the hour.  Ended up as a witness for the prosecution and had to
>>>>> sit outside the courtroom for 3 days counting bricks on the wall.
>>>>> '763'
>>>>> He pleaded guilty to a lesser charge or something.  Huge PITA!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I remember it well!!
>>>>>
>>>>> As well as a very few other police moments in my life.
>>>>> Some I won, some not so much.  All minor issues.
>>>>> As I understand the "statutes of limitations" have expired.  ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Les
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Actually I was first told about lying to people as a matter of
>>>> course in class at ALETA.  Since then I've stood there and listened
>>>> to COPs lie to people (and a couple times to me) while I just
>>>> mentally shook my head.
>>>>
>>>> The worst part is if you lie to them during the course of their
>>>> official duties you can be charged for it.  (never happened to me)
>>>> Its best to remain silent.
>>>>
>>>> Just google (or bing if you prefer) Are The Police Allowed To Lie?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Let me be the first to say(type).
>>>
>>> This little discussion has certainly taken a bit of a twist.
>>> Thanks Bob, for the 'Extra' input!!
>>>
>>> Les
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, sorry about that Les.
>
> Don't be sorry Bob!!  I'm not complaining.  Actually
> I think it is great that we are all have a "discussion".
> ASA has been so quite for so long!!!
>
> Thanks for all the discussion from all.
>
> Les
>
>
    Well I was a "L.E.O."  way back in the day..
the subject did come up once about "lying" during a discussion..
took me about 12 hours to pack up my stuff and turn in my badge..

Took up security guards and  electronic security right after that.  :-)

Never looked back...
Might be common folk, but I can look myself in the mirror and smile..

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*Rocky T. Squirrel, esq.*