Re: Just for discussion.

[ABLE1 <somewhere@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 7/21/2020 6:57 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
> On 7/21/2020 2:31 PM, ABLE1 wrote:
>> On 7/21/2020 4:13 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>> On 7/21/2020 12:35 PM, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>> On 7/21/2020 3:07 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>>> On 7/21/2020 11:20 AM, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/21/2020 2:10 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/21/2020 9:01 AM, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/21/2020 11:18 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/20/2020 4:06 PM, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/20/2020 12:12 PM, RTS wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/20/2020 7:19 AM, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/20/2020 12:51 AM, Jim Davis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 19, 2020 at 1:20:58 PM UTC-4, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all, no matter how few!!  :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The other day I received a call from a customer that said
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> morning a police officer showed up and asked if there was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The office manager said; "No, I just got here at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office 20 minutes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ago.  The officer said; "County Control received a call
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from a phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> number here with no one on the other end when answered."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Turns out the number that called 911 was their Fax number.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was called
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to investigate what may have happened.  The Fax number is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also used for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Line #2 to the Fire Panel.  The line used is a POTS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line and there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is an outside Demarc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After it was determined that it was the Fax the Office
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manager turned
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the machine off.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I arrived I checked the line and all was as it should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be. Only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two devices connected to the line, Fax and Fire Panel.  I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tested
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the line to my cell to verify the number.  I checked the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Demarc and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all looked and worked as it should.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I connected my Butt Set at the Fax Machine and put on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaker. Turned
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it on and nothing.  Then sent a Fax to my office, Ok.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I called the County Control Center and talked to a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Supervisor who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> verified just one call at 7:51am.  He had their Tech Guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> call me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> later.  Basically we determined it to be an unsolved mystery.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Although I did express a theory that would fit the scenario.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===============================================================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A teenage snot that just wanted to have fun took a old corded
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phone and opened up the Demarc box and plugged into the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> port.  Dialed 911 and after the first ring hung up. Closed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the box and hid behind a bush snickering.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==============================================================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Tech Guy liked that 'maybe' but then told me a true
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> story about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a tomato.  Officer was dispatched a house with a active
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> number that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called 911.  Approached and asked the lady of the house
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who was out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in her garden if everything was ok??  She said yes, why??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Officer explained and they went into the house to check
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the phone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What was found was a tomato sitting on the window sill far
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to long,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had started to leak juice.  The juice trail went down the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wall and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> onto the phone sitting below.  Juice got into the phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and shorted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out the 9 & 1 on the DTMF pad and made the call.  WOW!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tomato and phone were placed in the trash bin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, that is the start of the discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone care to contribute??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> One question leading to one very remote possibility is:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does the CS telephone number have nines and or ones in it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Another question leading to another remote possibility is"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm thinking that if it's a DTMF line that it probably also
>>>>>>>>>>>>> has rotary dial capability.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Land lines are becoming more and more of a problem as the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> telcos ignore them and as they try to switch everyone to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fiber or cellular.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe an intermittent connection (?) coincedently and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ultimately dialed 911. Any crackling or static on the line?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And ya know?  I've always had this bad feeling about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tomatoes. Ya know?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just something about them -------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But celery on the other hand -------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I did not hear any crackling or static on the line.
>>>>>>>>>>>> But, then again I am on the deaf side of things with high
>>>>>>>>>>>> frequency
>>>>>>>>>>>> hearing loss.  However, it is something I should check with a
>>>>>>>>>>>> different ear sometime.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I did ask the question about the back numbers to 911.  Was
>>>>>>>>>>>> told that
>>>>>>>>>>>> there were at least 10 or so that would get there.  Was not
>>>>>>>>>>>> told
>>>>>>>>>>>> what they were.  Either way with just a Fax and the Fire panel
>>>>>>>>>>>> connected to the line it does seem a bit odd for a 3 digit or a
>>>>>>>>>>>> 10 digit number to be dialed in some way to get through.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tomato or no tomato.  ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'd blame the local telco,
>>>>>>>>>>> I had one here which cross connected over a hundred lines from 2
>>>>>>>>>>> different towns.
>>>>>>>>>>> Talk about old style party lines......
>>>>>>>>>>> It seemed that the 2 towns were serviced by the same telco
>>>>>>>>>>> switch
>>>>>>>>>>> house..
>>>>>>>>>>> An in-house cable upgrade was the cause,  they had cross
>>>>>>>>>>> connected the
>>>>>>>>>>> lines when changing out the old cable and the tech "forgot"
>>>>>>>>>>> to remove
>>>>>>>>>>> the old cable from the ckts..  (or so they said)    LOL
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> RTS
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, good point Rocky,
>>>>>>>>>> I have been in buildings that have had phone company punch
>>>>>>>>>> down blocks
>>>>>>>>>> with Teclo lines there that were for another building.  The
>>>>>>>>>> numbers were
>>>>>>>>>> totally unrelated to the in house business.  Telco just used
>>>>>>>>>> it as a
>>>>>>>>>> splice block for the area.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've been in a lot of businesses like that.  Where the entire
>>>>>>>>> cable down an alley is brought into every building on that
>>>>>>>>> street.  Its annoying as hell, but it does allow for easier
>>>>>>>>> redistribution of resources as businesses change.  It also
>>>>>>>>> allows for savy people to eavesdrop on conversations and/or
>>>>>>>>> steal service with little effort. I don't recall the details,
>>>>>>>>> but some couple decades ago there was a federal regulation
>>>>>>>>> change that phone companies had to make it easier for fed to
>>>>>>>>> execute wiretaps.  I don't recall all the details, but that was
>>>>>>>>> around the same time I stared seeing a lot of 50 and 100 pair
>>>>>>>>> cables looped into new buildings and new plant improvements
>>>>>>>>> projects. I always thought the two were connected. With the
>>>>>>>>> newer digital CO switches I always wondered why they just
>>>>>>>>> didn't have a data link into the COs.  Some rural exchanges
>>>>>>>>> still had mechanical switches at the time though.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Bob,
>>>>>>>> Thanks for the extra Tidd Bits, I just knew you would contribute
>>>>>>>> some good stuff!!  It would seem that we ALL have seen the loop
>>>>>>>> holes.
>>>>>>>> I had a day "waaaaay back" that I was out in the country and no
>>>>>>>> payphones around and I needed to make a phone call.  I was soooooo
>>>>>>>> tempted to pop open Demarc on the nearest house, hook up my Butt
>>>>>>>> Set and make the call.  BUT, I controlled myself!!!!  I am sure
>>>>>>>> I wasn't the
>>>>>>>> first to have the thought.  I am sure it has happened.....
>>>>>>>> somewhere!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It doesn't help of course that you can buy a butt set at Home
>>>>>>> Depot or Lowes these days.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Absolute agreement!!!
>>>>>> Which adds to the scenario I posed being a possibility!!  :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There is another more sinister if probably unlikely possibility.
>>>>> The cops wanted a look around and made it up.  How legit is the
>>>>> client?
>>>>>
>>>>> Remember it is not against the law for them to lie to you.
>>>>
>>>> LOL Really??  The cops will/can actually do that??
>>>> I see the makings of a new movie..................
>>>> I guess anything is possible...............
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> BTWÂ  This Fax (number) is in a local town borough office.
>>>>
>>>> Les
>>>
>>>
>>> Yep.  They can and will although usually you only hear about it in an
>>> interrogation.  Sometimes they will do it to try and get you to doubt
>>> your own memory.  "Oh, I've been with the department since 19xx, and
>>> no officer by that name ever existed.  Certainly not at the rank and
>>> position you claim."Â  No shit.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Bob,
>> Hmmmmmmm sounds like you were on the wrong end of the stick.
>> And you remember it well!! Sorry to hear.  It is too bad that
>> kind of stuff has to happen.
>>
>> But, then again it is unlikely it will never change given the
>> condition of the human psychic.  We can wish for better, doesn't mean
>> we will ever get it.  Years ago I had purchased some furniture from a
>> guy I worked with.  Found out later that he was arrested for property
>> theft.
>>
>> I reported to State Police that I had two pieces and wanted to get them
>> out of my apartment.  Was asked by the officer on the case to come to
>> the police barracks to make the report.  Turns out that two detectives
>> started to imply that I was involved in the theft or I should have known
>> the furniture was hot because of the low price that paid. It was about
>> time my button got pushed.  I gave them a piece of my mind, demanded
>> that they get the furniture removed from my apartment and walked out.
>> I ended up calling again in two weeks and told the detective that if the
>> stuff was not picked up that day I was going to put it out in the
>> parking lot and they can come by at any time to get it.  He was there
>> within the hour.  Ended up as a witness for the prosecution and had to
>> sit outside the courtroom for 3 days counting bricks on the wall. '763'
>> He pleaded guilty to a lesser charge or something.  Huge PITA!!!
>>
>> Yes, I remember it well!!
>>
>> As well as a very few other police moments in my life.
>> Some I won, some not so much.  All minor issues.
>> As I understand the "statutes of limitations" have expired.  ;-)
>>
>> Les
>>
>
> Actually I was first told about lying to people as a matter of course in
> class at ALETA.  Since then I've stood there and listened to COPs lie to
> people (and a couple times to me) while I just mentally shook my head.
>
> The worst part is if you lie to them during the course of their official
> duties you can be charged for it.  (never happened to me)  Its best to
> remain silent.
>
> Just google (or bing if you prefer) Are The Police Allowed To Lie?
>
>

Let me be the first to say(type).

This little discussion has certainly taken a bit of a twist.
Thanks Bob, for the 'Extra' input!!

Les